08-23-2007, 10:40 PM
My biggest concern is that you are happy with the build and have fun playing. We've always worked folks in to keep things working as best we can regardless of spec.
I think you logic is very good on what the changes will do. So yeah I don't really see a huge downside. However my opinion is that you are geared enough for Prince and Nightbane. I know we failed on a run you were tanking them, but I don't think that was a failure of your gear. Maybe that's because I've seen Frag and Geld die to him several times as well. I consider most of our failures to not be tanking gearing failures, though we have had some. Most of our failures are execution or DPS failures or just very weak group composition that requires perfect execution from everyone to win. I'm not sure you would be Prince capable after the respec because of the loss of HP and the lower threat ceiling. But then I can estimate that stuff wrong. But yeah for the 25 man stuff I do agree you need a few more gear upgrades, and I'm getting worried about the lack of tanking drops for all of our tanks lately because even Tiga and Geld are going to be gear short for content if the crap doesn't ever drop like we've been dealing with.
And as Conc has pointed out, the 41/20 build should be noticably more DPS than the 31/30. Or at least significantly more DPS in the places we generally really need it. Trash is generally not as important to have higher DPS, I'm not saying it isn't important there are tangible downsides to weaker DPS on trash, but weaker DPS on trash is generally not going to be as detrimental as weaker DPS on bosses. It's possible a 31/30 is going to be better DPS on trash, I don't think it will be, but it could be, but again, I'm sure that 41/20 will be better on bosses were more DPS matters.
I've pointed out what I think the tanking differences are. 31/30 is more threat and better for the OT stuff of keeping demo up and helping or completely supplying the initial sunder stack. But as I also mentioned since Wimpy and Conc can do all the jobs, that you will now be first choice for, without any prot talents losing that extra tanking doesn't matter much. I think you'll be happier doing the DPS better and you will be a better OT choice than our other warriors which is where my concern on the spec comes from. Of course you may just want to try them both. Just make Swirly pay for your respecs. :) I also think that you being able to do more DPS and being a tank before Wimpy and Conc and JB will make Wimpy and Conc and JB happier too. I know they don't mind tanking but well they are all spec'd to do DPS so having a clear choice to tank in front of them isn't a bad thing. And I would probably have you tanking before Sham as well (depending on the situation because that is highly variable), but I still think a full on feral druid will out DPS you with the new spec if they aren't tanking, but they'll still out threat you if they are tanking so dunno.
So hopefully the tanking feel changes won't drive you nuts like they do to me and the DPS increase you'll be getting will make you happier. That's the really important part of this in my mind. I'm looking at tweaking my EW beotch spec some more as well. I kept several utility talents that are becoming less and less valuable for our runs and even less valuable in heroics as we continue to get more and more overgeared for heroics and heroics get more and more nerfed the utility talents get less valuable and I could up my DPS even more with some tweaks and losing some utility (I could have upped my DPS way more as a beast spec as well by giving up utility).
I think you logic is very good on what the changes will do. So yeah I don't really see a huge downside. However my opinion is that you are geared enough for Prince and Nightbane. I know we failed on a run you were tanking them, but I don't think that was a failure of your gear. Maybe that's because I've seen Frag and Geld die to him several times as well. I consider most of our failures to not be tanking gearing failures, though we have had some. Most of our failures are execution or DPS failures or just very weak group composition that requires perfect execution from everyone to win. I'm not sure you would be Prince capable after the respec because of the loss of HP and the lower threat ceiling. But then I can estimate that stuff wrong. But yeah for the 25 man stuff I do agree you need a few more gear upgrades, and I'm getting worried about the lack of tanking drops for all of our tanks lately because even Tiga and Geld are going to be gear short for content if the crap doesn't ever drop like we've been dealing with.
And as Conc has pointed out, the 41/20 build should be noticably more DPS than the 31/30. Or at least significantly more DPS in the places we generally really need it. Trash is generally not as important to have higher DPS, I'm not saying it isn't important there are tangible downsides to weaker DPS on trash, but weaker DPS on trash is generally not going to be as detrimental as weaker DPS on bosses. It's possible a 31/30 is going to be better DPS on trash, I don't think it will be, but it could be, but again, I'm sure that 41/20 will be better on bosses were more DPS matters.
I've pointed out what I think the tanking differences are. 31/30 is more threat and better for the OT stuff of keeping demo up and helping or completely supplying the initial sunder stack. But as I also mentioned since Wimpy and Conc can do all the jobs, that you will now be first choice for, without any prot talents losing that extra tanking doesn't matter much. I think you'll be happier doing the DPS better and you will be a better OT choice than our other warriors which is where my concern on the spec comes from. Of course you may just want to try them both. Just make Swirly pay for your respecs. :) I also think that you being able to do more DPS and being a tank before Wimpy and Conc and JB will make Wimpy and Conc and JB happier too. I know they don't mind tanking but well they are all spec'd to do DPS so having a clear choice to tank in front of them isn't a bad thing. And I would probably have you tanking before Sham as well (depending on the situation because that is highly variable), but I still think a full on feral druid will out DPS you with the new spec if they aren't tanking, but they'll still out threat you if they are tanking so dunno.
So hopefully the tanking feel changes won't drive you nuts like they do to me and the DPS increase you'll be getting will make you happier. That's the really important part of this in my mind. I'm looking at tweaking my EW beotch spec some more as well. I kept several utility talents that are becoming less and less valuable for our runs and even less valuable in heroics as we continue to get more and more overgeared for heroics and heroics get more and more nerfed the utility talents get less valuable and I could up my DPS even more with some tweaks and losing some utility (I could have upped my DPS way more as a beast spec as well by giving up utility).
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It's all just zeroes and ones and duct tape in the end.
It's all just zeroes and ones and duct tape in the end.