06-06-2003, 03:44 AM
Finally saw it.
A few ideas.
1. Why does Neo go for saving Trinity and not for the refounding of Zion, given the choice that the Architect presents?
He is human, which a machine is not. He can choose, and he only needs his own reasons to do that. This is consistent with the ideas they toss about regarding choice.
2. Why the phone? I like it, and I think it's an inside joke about internet connections from the writers, though I do like a few of the ideas you all have put forward, in terms of nodes in the matrix and how to access them.
3. Smith = zero and Neo = One is the best idea I have seen for what makes the two of them so unique: they are the controlling variables in the system.
4. Why are the humans plugged into the matrix?
Purpose, which is so bluntly spelled out in Matrix 2. Machines and humans, and their symbiotic relationship, are mentioned in the films now and again. The machines, if they want a non repeatable world to exist within the Matrix, need the human's non digital and very random neural impulses to react to machine stimuli in order to keep things in the Matrix from merely being a constantly repeated loop. VAriety that is internaly consistent is what the machines are programmed to create so that the humans can 'live.' Also, machines exist to serve man, so it follows that the machines need humans to let them know what man wants . . . and provide it if it is within the parameters of the limits of the control program. Since humans often lose control, the machine places limits on them so that the control loss does not create runaway problems, as those could defeat the machines ultimate purpose: to keep people happy. Otherwise, who the hell are all of those 'other people' in the Matrix but the people the machines are meant to serve? They are the plugged in brains of all of the non Zionist hooked in brains.
This line of thinking, and the mention of Harlan Ellison brings to mind 'The Glass Teat' and the idea of mindless people being suckled at the teat of a machine that is to keep it dumb and happy. People can't kill themselves if they are just kept . . . happy.
5. Ethnic mix. PC attempts to create good guys. All fine by me. Who really cares? I sure don't.
6. The 'almost orgy.' Fine, think audience demographics. Also, no harm in the soft core sex scene with Neo and Trinity, I've seen steamier stuff on TV.
7. How is Cain planted as a worm? As a mole? Maybe I miss remember Matrix 1. Will need to rent it this weekend.
8. Hey, folks, there is NOW a spoon! :) That was a nice little joke for us all to smile over.
9. Uh, where the hell did the food come from that was offered to Neo by the faithful in Zion? Arenth they underground? What's up with the produce?
10. "If the machine breaks down, we break down!" (From Platoon) Well, no crap, and if we break down, the Machine breaks down. The symbiosis again. The machines always restart Zion so that its program can be beta tested for anomalies again. Self testing, what advanced AI would not do that?
11. The Architect. The AI. Or, some of the foundational logic/code around which the Matrix was built. The underlying assumptions. ANd maybe, the underlying purpose.
All in all, I am glad that I stopped reading this thread until after I had seen the film, you guys really made my night as I recall the details from tonight's showing.
There were, no fooling, 23 people in the theatre with me. It was a pretty empty house, so I counted as I looked around during the closing . . . at started to chuckle to myself. :) I had figured it would be less than 20, some one must have snuck in after the lights went down.
Weird.
A few ideas.
1. Why does Neo go for saving Trinity and not for the refounding of Zion, given the choice that the Architect presents?
He is human, which a machine is not. He can choose, and he only needs his own reasons to do that. This is consistent with the ideas they toss about regarding choice.
2. Why the phone? I like it, and I think it's an inside joke about internet connections from the writers, though I do like a few of the ideas you all have put forward, in terms of nodes in the matrix and how to access them.
3. Smith = zero and Neo = One is the best idea I have seen for what makes the two of them so unique: they are the controlling variables in the system.
4. Why are the humans plugged into the matrix?
Purpose, which is so bluntly spelled out in Matrix 2. Machines and humans, and their symbiotic relationship, are mentioned in the films now and again. The machines, if they want a non repeatable world to exist within the Matrix, need the human's non digital and very random neural impulses to react to machine stimuli in order to keep things in the Matrix from merely being a constantly repeated loop. VAriety that is internaly consistent is what the machines are programmed to create so that the humans can 'live.' Also, machines exist to serve man, so it follows that the machines need humans to let them know what man wants . . . and provide it if it is within the parameters of the limits of the control program. Since humans often lose control, the machine places limits on them so that the control loss does not create runaway problems, as those could defeat the machines ultimate purpose: to keep people happy. Otherwise, who the hell are all of those 'other people' in the Matrix but the people the machines are meant to serve? They are the plugged in brains of all of the non Zionist hooked in brains.
This line of thinking, and the mention of Harlan Ellison brings to mind 'The Glass Teat' and the idea of mindless people being suckled at the teat of a machine that is to keep it dumb and happy. People can't kill themselves if they are just kept . . . happy.
5. Ethnic mix. PC attempts to create good guys. All fine by me. Who really cares? I sure don't.
6. The 'almost orgy.' Fine, think audience demographics. Also, no harm in the soft core sex scene with Neo and Trinity, I've seen steamier stuff on TV.
7. How is Cain planted as a worm? As a mole? Maybe I miss remember Matrix 1. Will need to rent it this weekend.
8. Hey, folks, there is NOW a spoon! :) That was a nice little joke for us all to smile over.
9. Uh, where the hell did the food come from that was offered to Neo by the faithful in Zion? Arenth they underground? What's up with the produce?
10. "If the machine breaks down, we break down!" (From Platoon) Well, no crap, and if we break down, the Machine breaks down. The symbiosis again. The machines always restart Zion so that its program can be beta tested for anomalies again. Self testing, what advanced AI would not do that?
11. The Architect. The AI. Or, some of the foundational logic/code around which the Matrix was built. The underlying assumptions. ANd maybe, the underlying purpose.
All in all, I am glad that I stopped reading this thread until after I had seen the film, you guys really made my night as I recall the details from tonight's showing.
There were, no fooling, 23 people in the theatre with me. It was a pretty empty house, so I counted as I looked around during the closing . . . at started to chuckle to myself. :) I had figured it would be less than 20, some one must have snuck in after the lights went down.
Weird.
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In War, the outcome is never final. --Carl von Clausewitz--
Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum
John 11:35 - consider why.
In Memory of Pete
In War, the outcome is never final. --Carl von Clausewitz--
Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum
John 11:35 - consider why.
In Memory of Pete