07-10-2007, 08:42 PM
Quote:It's odd; we have the opposite experience. It probably depends on a number of factors. What kind of Rogue are you, talentwise? Are you daggers?
My Avatar of War (my affectionate name for He Who Kills Things While I Heal/Disrupt/Annoy) is a dagger Rogue quite skilled at keeping enemies under control. We've won matches against the Rogue/Priest's worst enemy, MS Warrior/Holy Paladin, with my Rogue and the enemy Warrior duking it out while the Paladin and I stand on opposite sides and heal our constituents. Without me even getting a chance to mana burn (Paladin's too smart to let me get close), we win the mana war. We shouldn't. But somehow we do. Part of it may be gear, part talents/spec, but a huge part is the amount of control the Rogue exerts over the Warrior in terms of prevention of damage via Stuns and poisons and such. Plus, he's a rabid twitch player who just outmaneuvers the hell out of people.
We have much less success when the Warrior wakes up and tries to kill me first instead. I have to blow much more mana healing myself than my Rogue in this scenario, and it's typically a loss. Yes, a Rogue and a Priest have around the same armor, but I have...what, 40 agility? I don't exactly dodge much (although one time on a wipe to Malchezaar I dodged 2 hits and then parried one before he one-shot me; wish I saved that log because it made me bust my gut). Blade's Edge is a nice arena for this because sometimes I can get lucky and MC the Warrior to throw him off the bridge and buy some time to harass the Paladin, but...eh.
Warrior/Mage? Had a match where both the Warrior and the Mage tried to kill my Avatar and failed, only to watch him steadily destroy them both in turn. Leave me alone and my healing will wreck you. :) ProM, Renew, Shields, Flash Heals - I can pump out a lot of healing very quickly, and that's a mana-be-damned situation. Killing the Mage fast is the only option. If the Warrior had turned instead to harass me, letting the Mage try to deal with my Rogue via the typical kiting methods, it might have turned out better for them. Trading their Mage for me would probably work out in the end, since a Rogue shouldn't beat a Warrior solo.
We also have Fear Ward, Stoneform, Desperate Prayer, etc...which helps negate quite a few CC options opponents have. A Warrior can't Intimidating shout my Rogue and then Intercept him. Yeah yeah, I know, overpowered racials ftw. Hey, I rerolled a level 60 Night Elf Priest to a Dwarf for a reason.
-Bolty
Ever run into any hunters in 2v2? I know it's a rough bracket for the class but I just wonder if the pet annoyance on you helps any or if you can spare a GCD every now and then for a shield and/or renew. The 150+ DPS of the hunter pet if they were beast I don't think could be completely ignored and they could stop they could break/prevent your fear. I don't know if the stutter and the need to spend GCD on yourself would be good enough. I also don't know what you would want to pair with the hunter.
I guess I'm mainly wondering if you find a pet in your face enough of an annoyance (3v3 or 5v5) for me to keep using it that way in general. I know it works well against shaman, and it works well against pallies that aren't running concentration aura. It's not as big deal on a resto druid, but I still put it on them a lot to help burn them down (I mostly 3v3). I just wonder how annoying a priest finds it. I'm also a bit of an odd build, I think marks is probably better for PvP, but the beast/survival has it's moments (and yes I could do dailies and respec all the time, but I'd rather have that money to finish out my gem cut list, the build I have works well enough in raids, it's excellent in heroics for damage and CC, longer traps is huge, and we run with me as the only CC a lot, and it works well enough in PvP, I don't want to respec 3, 4 times a week) like popping deterrance when the warrior is on me and continuing to kill the healer or another DPS while taking no damage or a timely stun from the pet when something thinks they are going to break LoS on me or get more distance on the warrior.
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It's all just zeroes and ones and duct tape in the end.
It's all just zeroes and ones and duct tape in the end.