Terenas - Karazhan May 22nd

[Kevin]

Yes, it is a multiplier of Holy damage. I thought the limiting factor was the rage generation. Hence starting with a full blue rage bar would overcome that.

If no form of damage causes threat then Taunts and Growl are the only way to hold the mob? Both are those are limited by cooldowns and resists.

Edit: The last fight I was on the mob blinked to Saryn each time. Maybe the MT healer and the MT should stand closer together so there isnt any travel time when he blinks.

Obviously the mob does have a threat table and healing is high on it. If the mob cant be controlled then maybe we can force him to blink to a better target. If I was the sole healer on his tank then maybe he would come after me. I know that wouldnt work for both raids since we only have one Pally. Just throwing out ideas.

The issue with pally threat for the big guy is the same as for warriors. All the damage you do while mana shield is up is absorbed. Absorbed damage doesn't generate threat. I don't how it works as far as the aggro goes, but if the holy damage is all absorbed and not generating threat it might not be any easier for a paladin to hold him than a warrior. Misdirect doesn't really work on them either because the absorbed shots don't seem to eat up charges. When I'm asked to misdirect those pulls I'm actually shooting the little guys and the big guy is just going to the warrior because of prox aggro (since the misdirect is like the warrior pulling). Though I'll have to try it again. Since both raids don't always have hunters the hunters don't get to pull all the time (which is fine) since the tanks are used to doing the pulls. So I'm not positive on this but I seem to recall that one time I misdirected them and the shots were absorbed by the mana shield the charges weren't used and the mobs all came right to me.

The hunter pet is a bit different since growl is a fixed amount of threat and it doesn't matter about the damage the pet is doing. I don't know if it would be more than the healer threat and blink seems to send it ot the 2nd person on the threat list (the healer). Not that I've really messed with this. Growl is generally off in Kara unless I'm asked to have it on since the healers have the pet as bottom heal priority, which is exactly where the pet should be. They need to know that the pet might get aggro before I turn growl on. So while the pet is usually killing the big guy while I'm trapping a little one it's not really generating high aggro.

Maybe they don't seem to be as big a deal on the runs I'm on since most of the time I seem to be with a druid and shaman healer. The druid will still do a decent amount of healing via lifebloom and the big chunk lifebloom does at the end counts as the person who healed healing, not as the druid healing (the HoT part still counts against the druid), and the earth shield the shaman puts up also counts as healing the tank does not the shaman. So that will change the aggro tables a bit. While a druid has less armor than a priest with inner fire up, a shaman would still have more.

But again I'm not sure what the difference is. I've generally only seen a DPS, if anyone, die on those pulls (again unless it was a bad pull when we were still learning and we got 2 groups). I almost never see a healer die so I'm not sure what the deal is. The last run I did with Necrali I don't recall anyone dieing on them at all.