2.1.0 Patch Notes

[Taelas]

There are other ways to get AP and Crit Quark...it's called Agi...every 2.75 Agi is 1 crit rating, every 1 Agi is 1 AP. This leaves you the opportunity to put in MP5 in a couple slots to help out.

All other things being equal, if you're spending gems on MP5, you're not spending them on agi/AP/crit.

Quark, the Tier 5 changes are in and they still do not equal out to non-set items. Compare Robe of Hateful Echoes from Hydross to the Tier 5 cloth DPS robes that drop from Kael (both revised). Please tell me again Quark that the Tier sets are better than random drops, even with the bonuses, cause they're not. I'm not comparing apples to oranges here Quark, I'm comparing apples to apples, the sets do not compare to the random items you can get from Bosses. The tier sets, for the most part, are junk.

I'm sorry, what?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but what you want from a set is agility, attack power, crit, intellect, MP5, stamina, and +hit (and mostly in that order--at least as soon as you have a moderate amount of +hit already). Now, I'm no expert, but Rift Stalker seems to have all of that. That's not mentioning the three yellow sockets and the three red sockets, the meta socket and the blue socket. How is that junk? From what I can see, it has basically no wasted stats at all. Compare that to the live version of Nordrassil Harness or Malorne Harness--littered with almost worthless spirit, crit rating (which is crap for a Feral druid), too much int, and barely any increased armor.

The current Nordrassil Harness is almost perfect. Good armor, nice array of stats, mostly focused on strength and stamina, with plenty of agility and some int thrown in (which is utterly useless to me, as I'll be tanking most of the time, but it's useful for DPS, so whatever). Current Malorne is good, though the gloves are utter crap. No agility, instead crit rating--and they cost the same in terms of item points.

While Demon Stalker and Rift Stalker aren't perfect, they seem like good sets to me. The set bonuses look somewhat useless at first glance, but then, it's the same with mine.

And uh, what's with the name repetition? We can easily see whom you're replying to.

You see that little mention up above there Quark about Agi? Survival Hunters are usually pushing 700+ unbuffed Agi while BM and Marksman are roaming around 400 to 450 because they go for AP and Crit. 275 Agi on a Survival Hunter over the Agi on a BM or Marksman Hunter is 10% crit. That's how Survival Hunters are getting such huge crits compared to BM and Marksman Hunters, they're using Red Gems for Agi and Yellow Gems for Crit while BM and Marksman are mostly using Red Gems for AP and Yellow Gems for Crit.

As far as I know, gear isn't restricted to spec, so what exactly is your point...? A BM or MM hunter could go for agility as well.

In PvP yes Quark, in Raid encounters past Karazhan, most mobs, trash and bosses, are immune to silence and immune to disorient which means both Scatter and Silencing are wasted talent points from a raiding perspective.
Likewise, the Survival Hunter usually gets the utility talents in their traps. Something a lot of people over look especially when there is a talent that causes traps to root.

Bosses are immune. I doubt trash is, though of course I've not set foot in anything beyond Gruul's Lair. (And Maulgar's adds at least are stunnable.)

How come then there is a slowing growing group of Hunters that are changing the way they play and are also changing some of these perceptions? The voices are out there, they're not very vocal cause they're being drown out by the various cries of injustice and the like, but some people are starting to listen, are starting to realize that there are other ways of doing things.

Maybe the voices you're speaking of aren't taking everything into perspective. Sounds like it, from my point of view as an outsider on the class.

Do I think that some of the things done to Hunters in 2.1 are a step in the right direction, yes. Do I think that the list of things Mirajj posted early on are necessary to help the Hunter, no, I do not. In my mind, Hunters are not broken as many Hunters think they are. Blizzard is moving to rectify some of it, but they haven't gotten there yet, but out and out doing that things that Mirajj suggested (or where ever he pulled those suggestions from) would simply throw off the balance to the other side and make them too powerful. Baby steps to that point are better than outright jumps and then nerfing back down to be in line.

"Baby steps", my ass. They're not exactly on Blizzard's track record.

2.0.10: "We've tested things extensively and Druids are dealing too much damage right now" --> net effect: Mangle nerfed hard (went from 156% to 100%). Hotfixed right after the patch for threat issues (which the forums had already told them would happen).
2.1: Mangle damage buffed (to 115%), threat bonus lessened to keep it more or less the same.

Yeah, "baby steps". Sorry, I'm a little bitter.:angry: