2.1.0 Patch Notes
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I disagree that it's an issue with the Hunter as whole Mirajj, the issue is that all the Marksman want to do high DPS at all times. The Marksman tree is akin to the brightest flame burns briefest. Marksman put out a lot of damage very quickly before they're mana runs out. The other two trees do not deal damage in the same way as that is not what those trees are about. Beastmaster is all about the team aspect of the Hunter and their pet. Survival is all about control.

BM and Surv have longevity because they aren't designed to put out a lot of damage quickly, they also synergize with groups more readily due to their talents. Marksman is, and always has been, about increasing the Hunter's DPS in an alpha strike that tries to demolish the target. Meanwhile, the BM Hunter is putting out lesser damage, but is doing it through not only the Hunter, but their pet. Survival on the other hand is about controlling the ebb and flow of the fight either through disabling the target (traps, WC, WS), allowing the Hunter to withstand the blows or main tain their mana, or boosting their damage and their allies damage by a steady amount. The three trees have totally different fighting styles and they are all meant to accomplish their goals in a different light.

The problem is this, the raid fights are not what they were prior to tBC. Think back to the longest boss fights in the game, it was fights like Nef and Twin Emps which took 12 to 15 minutes to complete while most other fights were over in the 5 to 7 minute range. This meant that Marksmen were able to dish out the DPS because they didn't have as much problem running out of mana during the fight. Now in tBC, the fights have changed with most fights lasting more along the times equivalent to Nef and Twin Emps and Marksman are hitting the mana wall and hitting it hard. These issues have been their for a long time, it's just that the boss fights covered them because the fights were relatively short in comparison. Because of this change in the mechanics of the fights, BM Hunters and Survival Hunters are starting to make in roads because they've always been set to fight a protracted engagement, not a short one like Marksman are and Blizzard has gone the protracted engagement route with the fights (10 minute enrages or no enrage at all per se - Aran, Prince, Moroes, and Gruul have different enrage mechanics that aren't true enrages).

What you're arguing for is to make the Marksman have the same longevity as the BM and Survivial Hunters have while not diminishing their DPS. You can't have your cake and eat it too, you have to choose which way you want to fight, quick and dirty or protracted and piecemeal.
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2.1.0 Patch Notes - by Mirajj - 04-13-2007, 04:52 AM
2.1.0 Patch Notes - by Mirajj - 04-13-2007, 04:55 AM
2.1.0 Patch Notes - by Mirajj - 04-13-2007, 05:00 AM
2.1.0 Patch Notes - by Taelas - 04-13-2007, 06:27 AM
2.1.0 Patch Notes - by Arnulf - 04-13-2007, 08:53 AM
2.1.0 Patch Notes - by NiteFox - 04-13-2007, 09:47 AM
2.1.0 Patch Notes - by nobbie - 04-13-2007, 11:39 AM
2.1.0 Patch Notes - by Bolty - 04-13-2007, 12:18 PM
2.1.0 Patch Notes - by Tal - 04-13-2007, 01:00 PM
2.1.0 Patch Notes - by Quark - 04-13-2007, 01:43 PM
2.1.0 Patch Notes - by Legedi - 04-13-2007, 02:53 PM
2.1.0 Patch Notes - by Quark - 04-13-2007, 03:02 PM
2.1.0 Patch Notes - by RTM - 04-13-2007, 03:04 PM
2.1.0 Patch Notes - by Quark - 04-13-2007, 03:28 PM
2.1.0 Patch Notes - by Treesh - 04-13-2007, 03:31 PM
2.1.0 Patch Notes - by Concillian - 04-13-2007, 04:57 PM
2.1.0 Patch Notes - by bonemage - 04-13-2007, 05:36 PM
2.1.0 Patch Notes - by LikeIke - 04-13-2007, 05:50 PM
2.1.0 Patch Notes - by LikeIke - 04-13-2007, 06:03 PM
2.1.0 Patch Notes - by WimpySmurf - 04-13-2007, 06:20 PM
2.1.0 Patch Notes - by vor_lord - 04-13-2007, 07:48 PM
2.1.0 Patch Notes - by NotSoDarklord - 04-13-2007, 08:05 PM
2.1.0 Patch Notes - by Concillian - 04-13-2007, 08:18 PM
2.1.0 Patch Notes - by WimpySmurf - 04-13-2007, 09:13 PM
2.1.0 Patch Notes - by Concillian - 04-13-2007, 09:40 PM
2.1.0 Patch Notes - by WimpySmurf - 04-13-2007, 10:18 PM
2.1.0 Patch Notes - by Concillian - 04-14-2007, 12:34 AM
2.1.0 Patch Notes - by Taelas - 04-14-2007, 03:11 AM
2.1.0 Patch Notes - by Concillian - 04-14-2007, 04:58 AM
2.1.0 Patch Notes - by Taelas - 04-14-2007, 01:34 PM
2.1.0 Patch Notes - by Malakar - 04-14-2007, 01:58 PM
2.1.0 Patch Notes - by Concillian - 04-14-2007, 07:15 PM
2.1.0 Patch Notes - by Taelas - 04-14-2007, 08:27 PM
2.1.0 Patch Notes - by Warlock - 04-14-2007, 10:22 PM
2.1.0 Patch Notes - by Mavfin - 04-14-2007, 10:39 PM
2.1.0 Patch Notes - by Taelas - 04-14-2007, 11:30 PM
2.1.0 Patch Notes - by Concillian - 04-15-2007, 01:55 AM
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2.1.0 Patch Notes - by Warlock - 04-15-2007, 04:44 AM
2.1.0 Patch Notes - by Taelas - 04-15-2007, 05:00 AM
2.1.0 Patch Notes - by Pantalaimon - 04-15-2007, 07:49 AM
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2.1.0 Patch Notes - by Taelas - 04-15-2007, 04:06 PM
2.1.0 Patch Notes - by Concillian - 04-15-2007, 06:31 PM
2.1.0 Patch Notes - by Concillian - 04-15-2007, 06:43 PM
2.1.0 Patch Notes - by Taelas - 04-15-2007, 09:25 PM
2.1.0 Patch Notes - by Concillian - 04-16-2007, 04:10 AM
2.1.0 Patch Notes - by WimpySmurf - 04-16-2007, 04:25 PM
2.1.0 Patch Notes - by Taelas - 04-16-2007, 09:42 PM
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2.1.0 Patch Notes - by Taelas - 04-17-2007, 02:31 AM
2.1.0 Patch Notes - by lemekim - 04-17-2007, 08:43 PM
2.1.0 Patch Notes - by NiteFox - 04-17-2007, 08:51 PM
2.1.0 Patch Notes - by Concillian - 04-18-2007, 06:11 PM
2.1.0 Patch Notes - by Legedi - 04-18-2007, 07:04 PM
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2.1.0 Patch Notes - by Mavfin - 04-18-2007, 08:00 PM
2.1.0 Patch Notes - by Mavfin - 04-19-2007, 12:30 AM
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2.1.0 Patch Notes - by Taelas - 04-20-2007, 04:02 AM
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2.1.0 Patch Notes - by Legedi - 05-02-2007, 03:57 PM
2.1.0 Patch Notes - by Bolty - 05-02-2007, 04:21 PM
2.1.0 Patch Notes - by Lissa - 05-02-2007, 04:35 PM
2.1.0 Patch Notes - by Quark - 05-02-2007, 05:57 PM
2.1.0 Patch Notes - by Bolty - 05-02-2007, 06:15 PM
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2.1.0 Patch Notes - by Bolty - 05-02-2007, 07:27 PM
2.1.0 Patch Notes - by Flymo - 05-02-2007, 07:59 PM
2.1.0 Patch Notes - by Artega - 05-02-2007, 08:10 PM
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2.1.0 Patch Notes - by VinnieJones - 05-02-2007, 09:45 PM
2.1.0 Patch Notes - by Mirajj - 05-03-2007, 01:30 AM
2.1.0 Patch Notes - by Tuftears - 05-03-2007, 03:44 PM
2.1.0 Patch Notes - by NiteFox - 05-03-2007, 05:31 PM
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2.1.0 Patch Notes - by Lissa - 05-03-2007, 06:42 PM
2.1.0 Patch Notes - by Mirajj - 05-04-2007, 01:51 AM
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2.1.0 Patch Notes - by Artega - 05-04-2007, 08:21 AM
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2.1.0 Patch Notes - by Quark - 05-04-2007, 05:11 PM
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2.1.0 Patch Notes - by Concillian - 05-04-2007, 07:41 PM
2.1.0 Patch Notes - by VinnieJones - 05-04-2007, 08:58 PM
2.1.0 Patch Notes - by lemekim - 05-04-2007, 08:59 PM
2.1.0 Patch Notes - by Concillian - 05-04-2007, 09:34 PM
2.1.0 Patch Notes - by Mirajj - 05-05-2007, 12:36 AM
2.1.0 Patch Notes - by oldmandennis - 05-05-2007, 05:53 AM
2.1.0 Patch Notes - by Lissa - 05-05-2007, 02:31 PM
2.1.0 Patch Notes - by Treesh - 05-05-2007, 02:47 PM
2.1.0 Patch Notes - by Mirajj - 05-05-2007, 02:49 PM
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2.1.0 Patch Notes - by Mirajj - 05-05-2007, 03:20 PM
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2.1.0 Patch Notes - by Mirajj - 05-05-2007, 03:58 PM
2.1.0 Patch Notes - by Treesh - 05-05-2007, 04:40 PM
2.1.0 Patch Notes - by Mirajj - 05-05-2007, 04:55 PM
2.1.0 Patch Notes - by Quark - 05-06-2007, 01:13 PM
2.1.0 Patch Notes - by Lissa - 05-06-2007, 02:54 PM
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2.1.0 Patch Notes - by Mirajj - 05-06-2007, 03:53 PM
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2.1.0 Patch Notes - by Tuftears - 05-06-2007, 04:36 PM
2.1.0 Patch Notes - by Quark - 05-06-2007, 04:40 PM
2.1.0 Patch Notes - by Quark - 05-06-2007, 04:44 PM
2.1.0 Patch Notes - by Kevin - 05-06-2007, 07:40 PM
2.1.0 Patch Notes - by Frag - 05-06-2007, 07:56 PM
2.1.0 Patch Notes - by Lissa - 05-06-2007, 11:54 PM
2.1.0 Patch Notes - by Taelas - 05-07-2007, 03:08 AM
2.1.0 Patch Notes - by Mavfin - 05-07-2007, 04:27 AM
2.1.0 Patch Notes - by Taelas - 05-07-2007, 10:52 AM
2.1.0 Patch Notes - by Quark - 05-07-2007, 11:03 AM
2.1.0 Patch Notes - by Lissa - 05-07-2007, 02:21 PM
2.1.0 Patch Notes - by Delc - 05-07-2007, 02:34 PM
2.1.0 Patch Notes - by Lissa - 05-07-2007, 02:36 PM
2.1.0 Patch Notes - by TheDragoon - 05-07-2007, 03:19 PM
2.1.0 Patch Notes - by Mirajj - 05-07-2007, 04:07 PM
2.1.0 Patch Notes - by Taelas - 05-07-2007, 04:26 PM
2.1.0 Patch Notes - by Monkey - 05-07-2007, 05:58 PM
2.1.0 Patch Notes - by Artega - 05-07-2007, 06:30 PM
2.1.0 Patch Notes - by Lissa - 05-07-2007, 06:46 PM
2.1.0 Patch Notes - by Pesmerga - 05-07-2007, 06:55 PM
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2.1.0 Patch Notes - by MongoJerry - 05-17-2007, 06:09 AM
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2.1.0 Patch Notes - by oldmandennis - 05-17-2007, 07:17 AM
2.1.0 Patch Notes - by Alrin - 05-17-2007, 09:43 AM
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2.1.0 Patch Notes - by VinnieJones - 05-17-2007, 05:58 PM
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2.1.0 Patch Notes - by Pesmerga - 05-18-2007, 02:54 PM
2.1.0 Patch Notes - by LochnarITB - 05-18-2007, 08:46 PM

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