2.1.0 Patch Notes
#74
Quote:Two things, GG:

1) Rumor has it Spellsurge might be nerfed on PTR 2.1, giving it a smaller procrate. Since such things are difficult to test, it's hard to determine truth. It's known as fact that the tooltip on the enchant that says 3% is wrong on live servers - it's more like 15% - but apparently that might be getting nerfed.

2) Spellsurge has a 30-second built-in proc cooldown. If that's a 30-second cooldown per weapon, then yeah that would be nice on a dual-wielding Shaman. The 30-second cooldown is why it's hard to figure out its actual procrate, btw.

Spellsurge is a pure raid enchant. +81 healing helps in raiding and 5-mans and PvP. In heroics, mana is almost never the issue - healing output is. So...I agree that they're about equal in quality, but I'm not going to be rushing to overwrite my +81 heal enchant with it anytime soon.

-Bolty

Right I was talking for raiding and was only considering it comparison to the meta gem.

I also agree that the options for the meta's with the socket colors and what is itemized aren't that great, at least if the socket bonus matters at all to you I don't know if they do on healer gear, on some hunter gear they are decent on some they are pointless. So I don't know how viable just putting what you want in and ignoring the color is for healers.

Even with that for a priest I wasn't sure if spellsurge is better than +81 healing for raiding either.

And even with the 30s lock out (which isn't as bad as it might sound since it's 100 over 10s so without the lockout you could overwrite a current proc like warriors do with deep wounds all the time). 2 weapons would still up the chance of proc just not as much as it seems.

Battlemaster is another one that looks like it would be nice on a DW shaman, though they have aggro issues as is. Since that shaman is generally just an unleashed rage and totem buffer for a melee DPS group and they won't be putting out as much DPS as anyone they are grouped with, sacrificing a little more DPS for a bit more group healing can help. Battlemaster has the proc limit as well from what I understand but you still get benefit from a double enchant.
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2.1.0 Patch Notes - by Mirajj - 04-13-2007, 04:52 AM
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