Electoral Reform
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Quote:Wow, what about the fact that the chance your neighbors are terrorist that want to blow things up is smaller than being struck by lightning twice?
This is the whole problem here. There are a lot of problems rising from people that use Islam as an excuse. Simply mentioning how bad Islam is in general is the worst thing that we can do.

Most clashes (like in France) are far more class struggle than they are religious struggle. However also among politicians in Europe nowadays it is common to be, what we 15 years ago called, racist. Saying that everything is the fault of the evil Muslim wins votes.
Evidently, there are many severe lightning storms in the Netherlands. The chance of getting struck by lightning once is 576,000 to 1. But it probably depends on where you live and your daily activities.

Check out --> Centre for extremist studies established -- Amsterdam

"The study found 40 percent of the Moroccan youth in the Netherlands reject western values and democracy. Six to seven percent are prepared to use force to defend Islam."

A similar poll by the Washington Post conducted in Detroit cites, "The study also found that only 8 percent of participants described themselves as "Wahhabi" or "Salafi," two terms used to described very literal, extremist interpretations of Islam. Bagby described an extremist as one who "rejects America, rejects participation in the political system and holds very conservative views of Islam."

8 percent of 3 million is 240,000 potential extremists in the US. When you see a severe lightning storm you choose to get off the golf course and find a safe place to sit out the storm. Its bigoted and xenophobic, but when a group of people do not denounce the barbarism carried out in their names, they are complicit with it. If anyone moves into my neighborhood, I welcome them regardless of their demographics. But, if they tell me they approve of suicide bombings, beheading, and terror, then I would change my opinion of them.

The problem in France is a class struggle, but one that is extremely exacerbated by Islam. This problem in France could merely be civil unrest and rioting, or erupt into a civil war, but it might also draw in jihadists from the entire Islamic world. At what point do you just surrender your democracy, and submit to an Islamic theocracy. This is Darfur; this is Somolia; this is Ethiopia; this is Sudan; this is etc etc etc. And, longer ago most of the middle easts population was forced to choose to become Islamic, a slave, or die.

In 1786, John Adams and Thomas Jefferson met with Arab diplomats from Tunis, who were conducting terror raids and piracy against American ships. They wrote back to the US explaining thus; "We took the liberty to make some inquiries concerning the Grounds of their pretensions to make war upon a Nation who had done them no Injury, and observed that we considered all mankind as our Friends who had done us no wrong, nor had given us any provocation. The Ambassador answered us that it was founded on the Laws of their Prophet, that it was written in their Koran, that all nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as Prisoners, and that every Muslim who should be slain in Battle was sure to go to Paradise.”

This was their world view over 200 years ago, and this is the world view held by a significant portion of the Muslim world. I believe it was Madison who commented that once we go to war with these people we would be at it forever.
”There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." - Hamlet (1.5.167-8), Hamlet to Horatio.

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