02-24-2007, 04:05 AM
Yeah I just didn't know where to go with those 2 points. I needed 2 more to get the specs unlocked and since a 2H weapon wasn't really in the cards I just slapped them into imp HS. I hadn't even looked at the damage on imp T-Clap, I only picked that up for the debuff improvement but it does actually do damage now. Not bad.
I did wonder about the value of imp slam for really any build actually. Slam is a lot like steady shot for the hunters now (though steady can still be stuttered). So I actually have some practice with that, but don't have to deal with WF procs either.
The whole reason I thought about that one fury arms build is that my L44 warrior still does more DPS in battle than in zerker, and I wasn't looking forward to the management of Rampage so I decided to see if there was a spec other than the fury/prot that might help emphasize that. Even without tactical mastery I can still do stance switching for intercepts and such without a huge rage loss. So I looked at mace spec initially because if I did have to dump some on a switch faster building would be nice and random stuns while grinding, while potentially costing rage from damage, are fun. But the value of axe spec should simply increase as gear gets better. A pure 5% crit for 1H and the 2H weapon if you want to put one on (and there would still be reasons, I still wonder about a rage build in a raid to say 60 or 70 and then a slam spam dump, I used to do this on my prot warrior pre 2.0 all the time when I wasn't tanking, build rage DW then swap in the 2H and spam slam wasn't any better way really).
So on the battle stance fury build where is the best place to put the 2 HS points? Iron Will? 2H spec? I can see the value of imp slam and taking from DW spec seems the best there.
Oh on that note on your pure fury build, is imp zerker rage any good? I know it only maps to .33 rage/s (which seems to be what a lot of the talents map to, hmmm) and the points are once again very likely to be sucked out from DW spec, but that build would be in zerker pretty much all the time you would have that generation. I would think from a gameplay perspective it would at least help with the management of rampage a little since you could help insure you have the rage to keep that up a little. I know it has pretty good value in PvP to get you some rage right now as well. But from a DPS standpoint will .33 rage a second beat out 10% more damage from the OH even for rage generation? You could take the points form imp execute as well I suppose but that talent is very nice for raid DPS where you will get in more than one execute, and helps a bunch on the solo front too when you are a bit low on rage and want the mob dead now.
The new numbers do make things harder though. Arms is less clear cut, but I still think it offers more group benefits than just the extra DPS. I know there are some pseudo-DPS check fights and it might be worse in heroic mode but so far we've beaten them all and hit several of them under leveled, but we'll see, the extra DPS might be the best thing for the group.
I did wonder about the value of imp slam for really any build actually. Slam is a lot like steady shot for the hunters now (though steady can still be stuttered). So I actually have some practice with that, but don't have to deal with WF procs either.
The whole reason I thought about that one fury arms build is that my L44 warrior still does more DPS in battle than in zerker, and I wasn't looking forward to the management of Rampage so I decided to see if there was a spec other than the fury/prot that might help emphasize that. Even without tactical mastery I can still do stance switching for intercepts and such without a huge rage loss. So I looked at mace spec initially because if I did have to dump some on a switch faster building would be nice and random stuns while grinding, while potentially costing rage from damage, are fun. But the value of axe spec should simply increase as gear gets better. A pure 5% crit for 1H and the 2H weapon if you want to put one on (and there would still be reasons, I still wonder about a rage build in a raid to say 60 or 70 and then a slam spam dump, I used to do this on my prot warrior pre 2.0 all the time when I wasn't tanking, build rage DW then swap in the 2H and spam slam wasn't any better way really).
So on the battle stance fury build where is the best place to put the 2 HS points? Iron Will? 2H spec? I can see the value of imp slam and taking from DW spec seems the best there.
Oh on that note on your pure fury build, is imp zerker rage any good? I know it only maps to .33 rage/s (which seems to be what a lot of the talents map to, hmmm) and the points are once again very likely to be sucked out from DW spec, but that build would be in zerker pretty much all the time you would have that generation. I would think from a gameplay perspective it would at least help with the management of rampage a little since you could help insure you have the rage to keep that up a little. I know it has pretty good value in PvP to get you some rage right now as well. But from a DPS standpoint will .33 rage a second beat out 10% more damage from the OH even for rage generation? You could take the points form imp execute as well I suppose but that talent is very nice for raid DPS where you will get in more than one execute, and helps a bunch on the solo front too when you are a bit low on rage and want the mob dead now.
The new numbers do make things harder though. Arms is less clear cut, but I still think it offers more group benefits than just the extra DPS. I know there are some pseudo-DPS check fights and it might be worse in heroic mode but so far we've beaten them all and hit several of them under leveled, but we'll see, the extra DPS might be the best thing for the group.
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It's all just zeroes and ones and duct tape in the end.
It's all just zeroes and ones and duct tape in the end.