02-01-2007, 11:12 PM
Quote:Honestly, I'm surprised to see someone at the Basin claiming the sky is falling. I've had no problems holding aggro from tier3-equipped DPS monkeys, and I do very well in PvP, even without Improved Revenge.
Well, saying that I claimed the sky is falling is a tad harsh. The net product of my arguements in that thread are that warriors are a worse choice for tanking in a 5 man than a druid, and that the DPS, utility, and solo ability (to say nothing of PvP ability) of a protection warrior isn't nearly that of a Feral druid. I don't think we're obsolete as raid tanks, and we aren't bad tanks - just not an optimal choice by a decent margin.
The funny thing is, I'm not a raid tank. The most I've tanked is ZG and and AQ20, and the odd 16-man venture into MC. I adapted the raid tanking style when I did that (using HS as a rage dump), but most of my experience is tanking 5 mans. Pre-2.0, I was doing pretty well, able to hold hate rather well with a mix of Revenge, Shield Slam, and Sunder, with the odd Demoralizing Shout, Shield Bash, and Disarm thrown in when appropriate.
In TBC... well, maybe it's just that some of the Mages I run with are specced for the exact right setup in Fire, but I can't hold hate to save my life off certain mages within the guild if they decide to open up early. I can either keep one target off the DPS, or all other targets off the healers, but not both at the same time. Of course, i just hit 67, and got a new rank of Sunder, so that may help a bit.
The other thing is, my complaints about the terrible DPS of Devastate are likely due to the fact that pre-TBC, I had a Ravenholdt Slicer as my weapon - it's quite slow, but it's still only a 42 dps weapon. I still found that Shield Slam was better DPS than it, and that the added survivability of a shield usually worked better when soloing or PvPing.
Speaking of PvP... I did a lot of it, in prot. I'm not saying I'm good... but I occasionally won 1v1 fights. The interruption playstyle is good, but it's more of an annoyance than anything else, and with my piddly setup, I found it nigh - impossible to kill anyone that outgeared me.
So this is where I come from with my complaints. That, and it was coming off a particularly bad set of runs.
Maybe it will be better, now that the gear curve is reset, with the game rebalanced for level 70. I'll reevaluate it then. Right now, I went Arms for grinding, something I've only done once before, and I miss my protection setup, even if I find it flat out worse for soloing and PvPing, and only marginally better for tanking, and still not great even for that.
On a side note, Artega, as someone who PvPs heavily in protection, I'm curious what sort of advice you have for someone else who enjoys that playstyle, but seems to suck at it.
Men fear death, as children fear to go in the dark; and as that natural fear in children, is increased with tales, so is the other.
"Of Death" Sir Francis Bacon
"Of Death" Sir Francis Bacon