Game-Changing New Powers
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Quote:For the "first runs" of Ramparts, Blood Furnace, Slave Pens, and Underbog, only Slave Pens had a shaman along for me, so for the anecdotal evidence from my experience, Windfury (which ROCKS for warriors) isn't much of a factor.

You were also the one Terenas warrior who has replied that said things felt a little rage light though not starved. But yeah.

Quote:Hunter pets are another matter. They simply aren't fair, and play by a different set of rules. Two revenges and a shield slam in defensive stance is a LOT less threat than a single boar charge. That's why we never fight the hunter pets for aggro, it's simply not worth the massive rage investment to stand a chance, and it's often a battle we lose. All that rage dumped on one mob means you're behind on the other mobs. No thanks, the pet can have it if he wants it. Plus, threat generation on a warrior is much greater when they have aggro, and pets generate threat at the same ungodly speed whether or not they are taking damage. I'm not sure if this is by design, and if gearing will change matters in the future, but right now beast mastery pets make me feel inadequate. This is llike when we were at Maraudon gear levels and the BM pets rivaled me in armor, life, DPS, and threat generation.


Yeah I'm convinced that boar charge is bugged. None of my other pets can hold a candle to the aggro the boar can put out thanks to charge. The cat is still crazy (and of course they are really crazy for me since I have beastial discipline 2x focus regen and go for the throat 50 focus whenever I crit and that runs from 35-50% rate for me depending on buffs) but not nearly as bad. I do generally try to be good and kill growl to cut the aggro down and even try to not charge at times. But yeah, boars are stupid aggro right now and since I can keep bit, gore and growl all on autocast and pretty much never miss one the boar can do 130 DPS with that charge aggro. The cat hovers around 150. Last underbog I did was Conc, Jandrey, Xarhud, Mogo, and Marn and I took the cat since there was no need for me to offtank. She had growl off most of the time, but even with it on, it wasn't horrible for the warrior to hold aggro on it. But with 2 warriors there I figured she wasn't really needed for the off tanking which was mostly true. But again if there is VE healing or ILotP or a spare earth shield or what not the pet doing tanking seems to make a lot of sense to me. You don't need to spare any healing for it on trash you give the tank more time to build more aggro and things just seem to go smoother. And since Azzassinator (who is Marks) was able to hold aggro just fine with his boar this isn't limited to beast hunters. I think it's pretty well intended that a hunter should off tank, though if boar charge is bugged it might not work out as well for other specs when they fix it.


Of course it isn't just the warrior tanks that I don't hold back with. I go all out on our druid tanks too.

But yeah I don't think they have hunters quite set up yet. The pet can MT an instance just fine (I did MT Ramparts and Blood Furnace I the pet has intentionally or inadvertendly tanked every boss in Slave Pens and Underbog with the execption of the last UB boss). Heck my first ever BF run Mogo and Marn duo'd nearly to the first boss at L61, we picked up Azzassinator who was L60 and then proceded to pwn the boss. So yeah hunter pets are not quite right. OK I think they would be alright if the beat hunter themselves couldn't still do so much DPS and if the boar charge wasn't stupid amounts of aggro (other pets seem to be inline, I can pull aggro from the cat and wolf if I don't use intimidate in some solo situations).
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Game-Changing New Powers - by Bolty - 01-22-2007, 01:45 PM
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