More on Warlocks in the Expansion

[Lissa]

Heck, Lissa, Keshi can handle most *single* elites, especially if it's mostly physical damage. I soloed the Nerubian Overseer the other day, just barely, in tank gear.

And I can't kill him Mav and I've tried several times. He hits way to hard for a Blueberry or a Warlock to survive and if the Warlock is trying to keep the Blueberry alive, the Warlock will likely draw aggro just by using Health Funnel to keep the Blueberry up. I haven't tried with Lissanna, but I bet a similar experience is in store.

Stone Warders? They hit me for less than my block amount, therefore I have 60% avoidance or more in tank gear. Meh. The overseer just couldn't penetrate for enough damage fast enough.

I'm talking about that Warlocks and Hunters, (some mages, some other stuff, but not much) habitually go on to the next tier of elites. Demons in WS. Blue Dragons in WS. 2 at a time in Tyr's Hand. They can do another tier up that I can't even attempt w/o death, usually. It's not that I can do some of those things a little slower, or with more downtime. I do that anyway. Big deal. That's a consequence of my build. No, what irritates me is that my class/build in all epics can't even kill some of the stuff that new 60 hunters in blues can farm, and hunters/locks in epics farm w/o much effort.

For the Demons, do you know what it takes for a Warlock to take one out solo and how long? We're talking the CoD, Banish 1 and Banish 2 game and hope that both Banishes last their requisite time (20 seconds and 30 seconds respectively) so that you have 10 second where CoD can tick down and hit, you can apply a new CoD, and then do the banish cycle again. From the Hunter perspective, it's use Serpent Sting 9, Arcane Shot 1, and kite up the road to Everlook and hope that the SS9 being applied every 15 seconds does enough to kill the demon, otherwise you're back to square one of either dying or FDing to shed aggro and then pull them up the road again. Those demons are not as easy as many people think to solo and it requires a bit of luck and a good deal of skill to deal with.

As to the Dragons, I've been up there and watched Warriors, Rogues, Hunters, Warlocks, Mages, Shamans, Paladins, Shadow Priests, and Druids all solo those mobs. What's been the fastest class to take down those dragons, Mages by far.

I've seen plenty of other classes take on two at a time at Tyr's hand as well, this is not something specific to Hunters and Warlocks. If anything, a Warlock taking on two at Tyr's hand is a very skill warlock because they are juggling fears between the two mobs and that's not an easy feat.

That's how big the disparity. As far as skill, I guess you're all saying that I'm a complete n00b? If I'm such a n00b, why was I one of the first-kill Emps tanks for Avarice? This is an issue that anyone who's played a prot warrior or a *holy* priest extensively knows about, but those who haven't habitually tell us we're just n00bs.

No, you're using an non-optimal spec for dealing with those mobs. It has nothing to do with your class, but more with your spec. Holy Priests typically solo by outlasting their opponents, not by beating them down quickly. This also leads to another aspect that you're missing, down time. A Holy Priest can come out of a fight ready for the next with topped of health and nearly topped off mana, a Warlock or Hunter will come out of a fight sooner, but they will likely have some kind of down time (either drinking, eating, or letting pet regenerate).

This is not a new issue, but I do get tired of hearing that we're 'unskilled' or 'oh, this isn't a solo game' If this isn't a solo game, then why can *those* classes do that solo? If you don't play the game with RL friends, or with a built-in duo buddy, you solo. A lot.

Final Edit: at this point, I'll wait and see what the itemization is at 70, and see how things are.

No, you're the one throwing around the unskilled, I'm calling it as it is, not having the optimal spec for doing it. As I noted above with your examples, I've seen other classes do what you're talking about, I've also shown where some of the things you talk about Hunters and Warlocks doing has an element of luck. In truth, probably the best class for outright killing anything is the Frost Mage. As the Frost Mages say, "if I can chill it, I can kill it." Spec has everything to do with success, skill also has some affect as well.