2.0x Warrior Hybrid builds
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Quote:One more thing that is very interesting

Okay so I started thinking about rage mechanics pertaining to the normalization formula... white damage gained from +%crit seems to be not normalized... or rather, normalized the same as if you have less +%crit... at least until resilience rating on PvP gear becomes a factor.

Yea, I noticed that too. I think to put this in different terms, if you stack your Str/AP to hit harder, you encounter diminishing returns for rage generated, so 10 points of strength will give less and less additional RPS as your DPS increases. But if you stack crit, you get identical increase in RPS for each point of crit you gain.


Quote:So DW is good for rage gen and so it +crit. This means that one of the better builds for rage generation should be one that 5/5 Cruelty and 5/5 Poleaxe spec and Dual wields. What kind of screwed up build takes Cruelty and Poleaxe spec for dual-wielding? Well I would presume a dual wield MS build that went 41 arms...

Oddly such a build isn't as bad as 'common thinking' in the warrior community might have believed... here is RPS, white DPS and total DPS:
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DW MS (41 arms)
           RPS     WDPS    TotDPS
20% DR    7.05      201     372
30% DR    6.54      176     323
40% DR    6.03      151     275

Compare that to what I get for a 2H full arms build with the same gear but a R14 2H weapon instead of 2 Rank 14 1H weapons...

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2H MS (41 arms)
           RPS     WDPS    TotDPS
20% DR    7.28      174     383
30% DR    6.73      160     324
40% DR    6.17      137     268

It was interesting to me that the two builds came out so close to one another, as conventional wisdom says that DW MS is a no-no. The new rage mechanics mean that a DW MS build isn't so terrible, but you are very limited on weapon used as the damage range on the main hand weapon here is much more critical than it would be in a Bloodthirst build.

Yes, this is actually one of the things I found out the hard way through leveling. As we can see from your numbers, the higher RPS and White DPS offsets lower Special DPS. Also, Warriors will find this very important when leveling in BC, your weapon skill goes up much faster when you dual-wield, especially if it's 2 identical weapons. That might not sound that important, but when your weapon skill falls 10 points below what your current level, you will be getting glancing blows left and right against equal level mobs, reducing your DPS further. So in the end, you will actually end up doing more damage just dual-wielding with MS.

By the way, if you really want rage coming out of your ears with MS build, consider taking mace specialization - at 5 PPM for each weapon, you will get something like 30 extra rage per minute, not to mention stunning your targets to death.
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2.0x Warrior Hybrid builds - by Concillian - 11-21-2006, 04:19 PM
2.0x Warrior Hybrid builds - by lemekim - 11-21-2006, 04:31 PM
2.0x Warrior Hybrid builds - by Delc - 11-21-2006, 05:14 PM
2.0x Warrior Hybrid builds - by Concillian - 11-21-2006, 05:34 PM
2.0x Warrior Hybrid builds - by Concillian - 11-21-2006, 05:39 PM
2.0x Warrior Hybrid builds - by Jester - 11-21-2006, 06:18 PM
2.0x Warrior Hybrid builds - by Concillian - 11-21-2006, 06:46 PM
2.0x Warrior Hybrid builds - by vor_lord - 11-21-2006, 07:26 PM
2.0x Warrior Hybrid builds - by Warlock - 11-21-2006, 07:40 PM
2.0x Warrior Hybrid builds - by TheDragoon - 11-21-2006, 07:58 PM
2.0x Warrior Hybrid builds - by lemekim - 11-21-2006, 08:11 PM
2.0x Warrior Hybrid builds - by Concillian - 11-21-2006, 09:21 PM
2.0x Warrior Hybrid builds - by Concillian - 11-21-2006, 11:06 PM
2.0x Warrior Hybrid builds - by lemekim - 11-21-2006, 11:15 PM
2.0x Warrior Hybrid builds - by Concillian - 11-22-2006, 01:59 AM
2.0x Warrior Hybrid builds - by lemekim - 11-22-2006, 06:54 PM
2.0x Warrior Hybrid builds - by Jester - 11-22-2006, 10:20 PM
2.0x Warrior Hybrid builds - by Concillian - 11-22-2006, 10:37 PM
2.0x Warrior Hybrid builds - by Artega - 11-23-2006, 01:26 AM
2.0x Warrior Hybrid builds - by Concillian - 12-01-2006, 12:26 AM
2.0x Warrior Hybrid builds - by lemekim - 12-01-2006, 05:53 AM
2.0x Warrior Hybrid builds - by Concillian - 12-01-2006, 06:58 PM
2.0x Warrior Hybrid builds - by Concillian - 12-01-2006, 08:49 PM
2.0x Warrior Hybrid builds - by lemekim - 12-01-2006, 09:32 PM
2.0x Warrior Hybrid builds - by Concillian - 12-01-2006, 09:46 PM
2.0x Warrior Hybrid builds - by Concillian - 12-01-2006, 10:59 PM
2.0x Warrior Hybrid builds - by Kevin - 12-01-2006, 11:59 PM
2.0x Warrior Hybrid builds - by Concillian - 12-02-2006, 12:10 AM
2.0x Warrior Hybrid builds - by Kevin - 12-02-2006, 01:05 AM
2.0x Warrior Hybrid builds - by Concillian - 12-02-2006, 01:41 AM
2.0x Warrior Hybrid builds - by Icebird - 12-03-2006, 11:08 PM
2.0x Warrior Hybrid builds - by WimpySmurf - 12-04-2006, 09:13 PM
2.0x Warrior Hybrid builds - by Concillian - 12-04-2006, 10:30 PM
2.0x Warrior Hybrid builds - by WimpySmurf - 12-04-2006, 10:54 PM
2.0x Warrior Hybrid builds - by Concillian - 12-04-2006, 11:34 PM
2.0x Warrior Hybrid builds - by lemekim - 12-05-2006, 04:28 AM
2.0x Warrior Hybrid builds - by Monkey - 12-05-2006, 02:05 PM
2.0x Warrior Hybrid builds - by Concillian - 12-05-2006, 03:32 PM
2.0x Warrior Hybrid builds - by Kevin - 12-05-2006, 05:03 PM

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