09-20-2006, 07:45 PM
A general thanks to everyone for the info and feedback. I didn't know that about that drain life talent (I like to get my info from Lurkers first and if I can't get it here I then look elsewhere call me site-ist. :)
You guys have me pondering a couple of other changes no matter which way I go. And the 7/21/21+2 does look good if I get stuff in the destruction tree. I very well may save that for later, but I think I want to play more with affliction right now.
Cool. I know with the slower cast SB's that I might have some trouble with getting them off in time with some of the DPS some of the 5 man groups put out. :)
I'm not all that worried about aggro, I'll have you tanking for me after all! :) Drain hasn't been a problem so far but that might be a recent thing. Last reports I saw (from looking up stuff for warrior aggro actually) was that drain life only did threat equal to the damage. Siphon might still do double though.
And I do know that a lot of the affliction tree is wasted in instances but I will still do solo grinding stuff. I just don't know how much yet. So I do want to keep my drains viable for solo play still and really it's not like there is much else I can put it in.
I'm wondering about supression as well. I don't think any 5 man boss is higher than L61 so more than 3 points in it doesn't seem like it will benefit much.
So I tweaked the SM + DS since I think I want to play with that more before I try I something else. Any other thoughts from folks? Again that 7/21/21 + 2 does look fun but for right now I've decided I want to just go with tweaking more or less what I grew up with for a bit more power. I might even respec now so that I can use it solo for that last half level. :)
You guys have me pondering a couple of other changes no matter which way I go. And the 7/21/21+2 does look good if I get stuff in the destruction tree. I very well may save that for later, but I think I want to play more with affliction right now.
Quote:Quote:Demonic Sacrifice is an excellent option. The only minor quibble is that you can't really sac your demon if you are on seduce duty in a 5-man (that being why I went back to Dark Pact.)As someone who has played with a SM / DS build quite a bit, I'd call most of this accurate. Drain life and Siphon have some aggro issues, in that the DPS combined with the healing can get you in trouble sometimes. CoA is usually not in use in favor or CoE or CoS and Corruption may or may not be beneficial. Most of the affliction tree is wasted in instances.
The first build: No Shadowburn, Bane, or Improved Shadowbolt, which will hurt nuke DPS quite a bit. So I'd think for 5-mans, assuming tank can hold aggro, the second build would be better.
Siphon Life is not useful for instances, nor is Fel Concentration .. Affliction in general is great for soloing and not so good for instances, where things tend to die too fast for DoTs to run. (An initial Immolate or Corruption is often all that you can really squeeze in.)
Oh yes -- Improved Drain Life is considered to be kind of crappy (improves only base Drain Life). Why not get Curse of Exhaustion + a couple of notches of improvement to play with instead? You won't want to slow things very often, but when you do ...
I started out doing a lot of sac voidy in instances for low maintenance, but found that the health ticks draw aggro just like normal healing. You probably have the right plan with sac the succubus.
DS + SM with sac'ed succubus puts shadowbolt DPS in a good place. A little lower DPS than an SM / Ruin build, but not bad. very consistent damage.
Cool. I know with the slower cast SB's that I might have some trouble with getting them off in time with some of the DPS some of the 5 man groups put out. :)
I'm not all that worried about aggro, I'll have you tanking for me after all! :) Drain hasn't been a problem so far but that might be a recent thing. Last reports I saw (from looking up stuff for warrior aggro actually) was that drain life only did threat equal to the damage. Siphon might still do double though.
And I do know that a lot of the affliction tree is wasted in instances but I will still do solo grinding stuff. I just don't know how much yet. So I do want to keep my drains viable for solo play still and really it's not like there is much else I can put it in.
I'm wondering about supression as well. I don't think any 5 man boss is higher than L61 so more than 3 points in it doesn't seem like it will benefit much.
So I tweaked the SM + DS since I think I want to play with that more before I try I something else. Any other thoughts from folks? Again that 7/21/21 + 2 does look fun but for right now I've decided I want to just go with tweaking more or less what I grew up with for a bit more power. I might even respec now so that I can use it solo for that last half level. :)
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It's all just zeroes and ones and duct tape in the end.