07-09-2006, 10:12 PM
Quote:I question whether that is actually the "conventional wisdom". From talking to experienced raiding guilds, and from virtually all the math I've ever seen, rogues get Windfury. Period.
Even if Windfury ends up giving rogues slightly less damage than GoA to rogues, you should probably be using windfury so you can group up rogues and warriors, since rogues must always receive Battleshout. Rogues get grouped with a warrior who gives them battleshout, and everyone gets Windfury. I also can tell you flat out that at high levels of raiding Windfury is virtually always superior to GoA because it scales so dramatically while GoA barely scales at all.
Rogues must have Battleshout, all warriors should have Windfury if possible. The difference this makes is ridiculious at the highest levels of gameplay and if your raid leaders can't manage to at least try to fulfill this they really shouldn't be leading raids. Thats sort of a jab at my old guild which was run with an incredible level of incompetence. We were lucky if the rogues got any buffs - it was miserable. I was a warrior and I had to advocate for them, mainly by volunteering to get grouped with them, and when I brought this up to the other guild officers I got a stern lecture from one of our hunters about how in our guild the hunters top the damage charts so we should give them GoA. I'm not sure if he understood the ridiculiousness of denying rogues damage buffs under the criteria that they never seem to do as much damage as they should.;)
I give GoA or WF depending on the grouping I'm with as the shaman. If I have warriors, it's WF, if it's rogues, they get the one they want, I'll ask, and if it's hunters, they get GoA.
Simple.
Lurkers generally don't bother with 'conventional wisdom' and 'everyone does it this way', so I'll not comment on your comments about 'any competent raid leader' and all that. Yes, that one *does* sound incompetent, but that has little to do with WF vs GoA for rogues, which is the subject of the thread, and *one* warrior in a group for Battleshout does not make the case for WF over GoA. I have a feeling you're assuming a 2h-using warrior, rather than the dw-fury variety, who may be just as happy with the extra agi for more crits. As I stated, I use WF or GoA depending on the group I'm putting totems down for. I don't make pronouncements till I see the group and its makeup.
Of course, in Lurker raids, you have lots of different builds, so you can't count on any class being any particular build, unlike a lot of raid guilds, which say that X class will be Y build or it won't be raiding.
All things to think about.
--Mav