Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion

[SwissMercenary]

But that kind of collision system doesn't have any mass. If you've got vastly greater KE, you're just going to smash through foils. Additionally, some swords are pointy for a reason, and are made for lunging. That kind of auto deflect collision box system wouldn't account for lunges or the mass of the weapon. To me, that seems cumbersome.

And that's why I call the system 'primitive.' It could be improved. However, I'd daresay it makes for more engaging combat then 'swing' 'die roll'.

In Oblivion, when there are big enough attacks, you feel it because the weapons actually have physics data and the ones taking the attack get knocked around and shaken a bit. Granted, I'd like to see the physics used more, but I believe that can be tweaked somewhere.

And who's to say that the system I outlined couldn't be impoved to incorporate it more? Hammerites tended to do a much better job at knocking you out of your blocking stance then regular sword-wielders, so in some respect, it did take it into account.

If you're ready to block IRL with a weapon, your weapon isn't going to stay still when the enemy makes a slash.

It didn't. Depending on the angle and strength of the hit, it would move, often opening you up for a second blow.

Additionally, we don't have just slashing swords. There are pointy ones, axes (some designed to catch and disarm swords), and giant warhammers too.

And I'm not saying that Oblivion has less of a variety of weaponry. However, as it stands now, that 'variety' manifests itself in:

A: The amount of damage you do.

B: The range you have.

When you are using an axe in the exact same way as you fight with a mace, that variety sure feels hollow.

I don't know about you, if I'm really making a skillful bladed attack (that is not a feint) IRL, I am going for a killing blow, I am not getting my weapon caught on their if they're attacking too. Weapon collision seems an unnecessary hassle when there's already a block/parry/dodge system already in place that decides when I or my enemy want weapons to collide.

Oblivion has a parry system? If you are talking about Thief, weapon collision worked out quite fine, for the most part.

Static blocking!??!? That doesn't fly with me. Oblivion's block/parry system is ready-active, not passive. It negates the need for that weapon collision system, because you're assumed to try to collide weapons/shield when holding down 'block', or the enemy is.

And if you are facing the general direction of the enemy, and hold the block key, you will always block that attack. Lovely. Well, unless the die roll goes bad for you. That's what I don't like about it - there lack of player involvement. The game assumes that your character is, ah, skilled enough to block every such attack. In a 3-rd person isometric RPG, I'm all for it. In first-person? No thanks, really.

Sorry Swiss Merc, what you showed is a backwards and unnecessary to me. What you've shown seems like an archaic workaround because there's fewer weapons, less attack / defense variety, and no physics possible.

As I said, my gripe comes from the lack of player involvement in that respect. Yeah, there's more variety. I don't deny it. However, I want to block because I managed to put my shield in the way of his swing, not because I enter 'block mode' and my character magically blocks any attack coming from the front. It comes down to button-mashing, rather then well-aimed hits.

Weapon colllision in Oblivion is assumed via active blocks/parries from a defensive 'blocking' stance.  Passive block/parries, they don't work, especially if the enemy is swinging with more mass and KE.
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I know how Oblivion works - that was an example of how in Thief, you and the AI could take advantage of weapon collision. I mean, seriously, even if you aren't holding that huge warhammer in a blocking stance, but your enemy slashes at you, so that the weapon should be in the way of his hit, his blow should at best glance off, at worst, nick you.