Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion
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[wcip]Angel,Apr 27 2006, 03:22 AM Wrote:Oh and by the way, If you think there's not much to do in Oblivion...
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Exactly! You know, unlike some others, I remember comments like these:

http://www.machall.com/morrowind/page8.html

Quote:Morrowind modding suffers from a SEVERE lack of support, organization, and information. Without these three elements, it will NEVER be the Golden Egg that it can be. Hence why NWN will forever trump it
Quote:The Elder Scrolls: Morrowind is in residence on my HD, but I can't seem to get into it.
Quote:Morrowind. Morrowind was a stinker because of its inability to really define which way the story is going. Some people like that, but I hate it

Quote:Morrowind was huge - too huge - and I didn't ever really get into it. Way too open ended. I would have a quest to do, but didn't really know how to get going on it.

I also have to say this about Morrowind players. The people who like Morrowind REALLY REALLY like Morrowind. Everyone else (like me) hates it.

I think that Morrowind was ambitious, just boring. I don't hate the people who play it, and I DO understand why some people like it. It's just a matter of personal preference.
Quote:I could never really get into Morrowind. Then again, I tend to look at non-DnD-based CRPGs with a certain kind of disdain.

On a completely unrelated note: stay the hell away from Morrowind. It's the most addictive game I've played since D2
Same person. I'll leave out who, since you might know who you are.

Quote:I've owned Morrowind plus the Bloodmoon and Tribunal expansions for awhile, but I've never really gotten into the game. I keep meaning to give it a serious chance, but I always seem to get turned off by the overly-long and complicated beginning.

Just taken from the lounge search on Morrowind. Some people just have too much a rosy eye for MW, and daggerfall. There were some matters of opinion but the rest of us had fun. The same applies for OB.

Leveling/Scaling? Complete whinge, especially when there are a million do-it yourself leveling mods. It is an easily fixable matter of opinion. Some of us don't like having every enemy be boringly easy. If I'm a demigod, I still want quasi-god enemies worthy of some challenge. D2 had scaling too, and every other game up to a point defined by geography. As you level up, you go to higher level zones for higher stat monsters and loot. OB does this more dynamically.

Streamlining weapon skills? Sometimes it doesn't make 'realistic' sense in that an axe is not a hammer, but gameplay wise, do you really need a different skill for every weapon? Realistically, claymores and shortswords aren't even in the same ballpark of weapon styles. Neither's a rapier. This is also an unrealistic whine.

AI: It has improved, and generations better than before. As someone who's actually participated in the MW modding for these past 3 years, I've seen all the incremental steps forward, and OB AI is the realization of almost all that. If OB's AI had the equivalent of HAL 2000 from space oddyssey, or master controller from Tron, I'd be worried for my life. No AI is perfect, but I definitely appreciate when two NPCs start talking rumours about me and the results of the quests and encounters I've done. "Did you hear about Drasca and the goblin mine? I hear no one was killed, a swordsman was killed, etc"?

The people that say MW was uber, and OB is teh suck, don't really realize the flaws of MW, nor seem to have discovered.

Quote:It wasn't worth it. Here it is, a month after release, and I'm already feeling like I've exhausted the game. Morrowind kept me going for much, much longer.

I've sunk 140+ hours into this game. I know some people over the 200-300 hr mark. Definitely worth it for us. What's the typical game span for an RPG? 20-50 hrs? Yeah...

Quote:I could play Morrowind for five years and never discover every quest

You grossly overestimate MW's quest total. As someone who as done every quest, it is doable within two months.

If you want something mind boggling long, go try the free Arena download, or look up a copy of Daggerfall.

Point is, there were a lot of MW detractors too, and those unable to get MW working right (Nitefox). The rest of us found it immensely fun. Those that have a rig able to play OB, and do have it, have enjoyed it. Those that don't have a rig yet, I presume you'll be able to enjoy it eventually. Those that have a rig, like big RPGs, and don't have OB... what are you waiting for?
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Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion - by pakman - 03-24-2006, 05:31 AM
Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion - by Drasca - 03-24-2006, 06:08 AM
Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion - by SwissMercenary - 03-24-2006, 06:16 AM
Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion - by Crusader - 03-24-2006, 09:29 AM
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