04-14-2006, 05:00 AM
Tal was a little vague in places, so I'm going to come in with the clarity stick. ;)
Tal got the definitions right. They matter because it's what controls everything we do on the 40-man runs (as well as our basic policies for inter-guild activity).
There is a sticky thread in the Swap Meet forum entitled "The Definitive ARP Points List" where we post the point cost, as agreed on by ARC, for each item we know about. The numbers there ARE subject to change periodically, as we will occasionally revisit the value we've placed on an item. (Quark is the official maintainer of that list, btw.)
Not technically correct, although for some classes very true in practice. For several months, none of our regular warriors was in positive points, which meant that "guest" warriors on raids tended to be result in a collective groan and me seeing a barrage of green text from Anadrol... :whistling: Early in our raiding careers, most of the old fart warriors lost key pieces of gear to folks we never even saw again, because we were in the hole and they were at zero. Not so much a concern anymore, as the folks who haven't raided at all yet are either not in BWL with the old farts, or are in MC with us but we just don't care anymore because we aren't after what they're after. ;)
It has been my observation that, at present, it is nearly impossible for a new raider to come on his/her first raid and not get at least a couple of items, unless items for that player's class just aren't dropping at all that night. Some warriors, for example, have indeed gone up to 500 points in the hole on their first 2-3 raids because everything "fell" to them.
The "correct" answer is "whatever everyone agrees on." A frequent answer is "things generally fall to who needs them." The practical answer is generally "one need roll on a BOP blue/epic per run, unlimited need rolls on green BOPs (assuming you need them); pass otherwise, but if you need it, do speak up as the raid's liable to tell you to go ahead and take it. Roll greed on all BOEs unless you actually need it as a legit upgrade."
Here, you're referring to the non-40 runs; Tuftears has a loose policy which he devised for his Zul'Gurub runs which the other 20-man raid leaders mostly seem to follow. However, caveat emptor on 20-man raids; each raid leader is free to utilize whatever system they wish. (It works both ways, of course; with the frequency of 20-man raids and the number of people willing to sponsor them, someone who runs them like an idiot will quickly find themselves with no signups. ;) )
Also, I don't think I ever properly welcomed you over to SR, Alram... good to have you over there, and I'll look forward to seeing you when I return from my exile. :lol:
Alram,Apr 13 2006, 07:11 PM Wrote:1. On the Carpe Aurum forums there is a board entitled "ZG, AQ20, and other smaller raid signups which are not covered by ARP or managed by ARC." What is ARP? What is ARC? And how does it matter to me?
Tal got the definitions right. They matter because it's what controls everything we do on the 40-man runs (as well as our basic policies for inter-guild activity).
Quote:2. I have read over the point system on Carpe Aurum.
"5. Loot found on a raid has a fixed point cost. This cost is determined by the raid leaders. Costs for known items will be posted. If costs are determined to need adjustment either up or down all changes will be retroactively applied to all raid participants."
a. Where is it posted? During the raid itself?"
There is a sticky thread in the Swap Meet forum entitled "The Definitive ARP Points List" where we post the point cost, as agreed on by ARC, for each item we know about. The numbers there ARE subject to change periodically, as we will occasionally revisit the value we've placed on an item. (Quark is the official maintainer of that list, btw.)
Quote: (snip of loot rules) b.
So it will be impossible for me to win the 1st item that drops as I will have zero points.
Not technically correct, although for some classes very true in practice. For several months, none of our regular warriors was in positive points, which meant that "guest" warriors on raids tended to be result in a collective groan and me seeing a barrage of green text from Anadrol... :whistling: Early in our raiding careers, most of the old fart warriors lost key pieces of gear to folks we never even saw again, because we were in the hole and they were at zero. Not so much a concern anymore, as the folks who haven't raided at all yet are either not in BWL with the old farts, or are in MC with us but we just don't care anymore because we aren't after what they're after. ;)
Quote:How many raids will I need to attend before I have any hope of winning something? Or could it possibly be a case where everyone else already has the same or better, and so I win a lot of stuff and go deep into negative points?
It has been my observation that, at present, it is nearly impossible for a new raider to come on his/her first raid and not get at least a couple of items, unless items for that player's class just aren't dropping at all that night. Some warriors, for example, have indeed gone up to 500 points in the hole on their first 2-3 raids because everything "fell" to them.
Quote:4. What are the usual and customary loot rules for 5 man runs of high level instances?...and...
Quote:So everyone doesn't pass on BoPs, but rolls need or greed or pass?
The "correct" answer is "whatever everyone agrees on." A frequent answer is "things generally fall to who needs them." The practical answer is generally "one need roll on a BOP blue/epic per run, unlimited need rolls on green BOPs (assuming you need them); pass otherwise, but if you need it, do speak up as the raid's liable to tell you to go ahead and take it. Roll greed on all BOEs unless you actually need it as a legit upgrade."
Quote:So these raids do not have cumulative avarice points. They decide loot distibution by Tuftears rules? What about nonTuft non ARP? Is there any standard?
Here, you're referring to the non-40 runs; Tuftears has a loose policy which he devised for his Zul'Gurub runs which the other 20-man raid leaders mostly seem to follow. However, caveat emptor on 20-man raids; each raid leader is free to utilize whatever system they wish. (It works both ways, of course; with the frequency of 20-man raids and the number of people willing to sponsor them, someone who runs them like an idiot will quickly find themselves with no signups. ;) )
Also, I don't think I ever properly welcomed you over to SR, Alram... good to have you over there, and I'll look forward to seeing you when I return from my exile. :lol:
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