05-12-2006, 04:24 PM
oldmandennis,May 12 2006, 03:41 AM Wrote:The problem for me, and alot of people on my server (and I can't wait for xserver BG's so we can really see who is the PvP bomb... oh I mean I really can't wait, I stopped my auto renewal subscription yesterday) is that absolutly zero, none, zip, zilch elemental talents have ANY relevence at all for raiding. No semi useful cross buffs like crit% on heals or mana pool, nothing. And mana tide IS a big deal. I've caved to the pressure to respec PvE, and most of the shaman in my guild have. And you know what? It works. We finished Nef our second kill after a bad shadow flame that left 15 people up (right after the constructs went down) and we couldn't have done it if the remaining shaman didn't have MT. The healers were scraping the barrel the whole way through, GMP everytime cooldown was up, and MT every 5 min.
*Shrug* Maybe it helped in that one case, but in the end Mana Tide is just a combat mana potion on a five minute timer, and I can use combat mana potions or even major mana potions on a two minute timer as it is. We stick our (one) mana tide shaman in our main tank healer group, and it's nice to see the old "Get in for the ride! Here comes the Mana Tide!" macro and then see my mana bar increase by a small amount. But in the end, it's not really worth gimping your character in PvP (and keep in mind that I'm on a PvP server, so all outdoor areas are PvP areas) just to get it.
Quote:You say the alliance close out encounters where the horde dies at 1%... Well guilds that don't force a respec die at 1% where guilds that do pull it out.[right][snapback]109701[/snapback][/right]
That's a misquote. That was in reference to the Huhuran fight specifically, where after she goes berserk at 30%, things can snowball into an avalanche of trouble such that 1-2% wipes are very common. If you die at 5%, you're not really close to beating the encounter, yet.
Now, if Mana Tide were as strong as Blessing of Wisdom and if it worked for players not in your immediate party, then it would be fantastic. Heck, if they just lowered the cooldown timer on it, that would be something. But as it is, it's not that big of a deal.
Quote:30/0/21 is a cookie cutter pvp no doubt. There is no +/- a few points, even your hardcore PvP friends acknwoledge the necessity of NS.
Well, some people are actually considering the 31 point elemental talent over nature's swiftness, which might sound crazy, but it has been improved a lot. Some people are thinking of some 28/23 builds, too.
Quote:The reviews are supposed to break up cookie cutters.
Ah, now, there's the rub. I agree with you here, and I think more incentive should be given to encourage people to go enhancement or full resto. I just don't think the problems are in the elemental tree.