Whisky Tango Foxtrot?!

[ShadowHM]

With these rights should come a little thing called personal responsibility.

If you have not cottoned on to my stance on personal responsibility by now, you are being willfully forgetful.

And yes, children should be the real concern. I don't agree with abortion at all...  It's all wrong.

Yet you were quick to suggest that men should have the right to demand that his erstwhile partner should have one. :angry:

Edit. To directly reply to the shoe being on the other foot... If we followed this line of reasoning that Shadow has presented, it should be perfectly ok for black folks to take white folks in to slavery. For just a little while. It would allow the shoe to sit on the other foot for a while. Sure, white folks would resent it... But it would be the right thing to do... Right? No harm, no foul. Somehow, they deserve to break the law and twist it around to their advantage because of what happened to them. But they should learn to just shut up and not say anything and let the black folks have their moment in the sun, because the shoe is now on the other foot. And that's ok.

Nice piece of misdirection, Doc.

For most of human history, men have had the ability to deny any form of responsibilty for the children they father. Women have had to accept all the conseqeunces of unintended preganancies. Men still do have the option of wrapping that willy in the first place. Women now have legal access to safe abortions, if they choose, but I don't see how that has any bearing on the lack of personal responsibility of the man in the first place to ensure that his casual sex has no outcome. Sure, the stakes are higher now. He can no longer walk away. But don't expect me to get all concerned about it, when he could have prevented it in the first place.

I will not argue that there are no unscrupulous women. But there is still nothing to prevent any man from ensuring that sex involves contraception.

I will not argue that there are never broken condoms. But the failure rate is nothing like the epidemic you are suggesting.

Two wrongs don't make a right. Probably something I need to pay more attention to my self. Overcompensating the situation solves nothing, but breeds further resentment which will only hurt women even more in the long run. Women hurt their own cause by demanding special circumstances and priviledge, and to be protected in the long dark shadow of double standards.
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Agreed. We are back to the notion of personal responsibility. And the lack of that is an epidemic in North American culture, in manifold ways, not just this one.