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Druid feedback - Treesh - 02-19-2005 Caydiem posted detailing what she's been talking about with the devs and druids. Quote: Here is the response Iâve received from the designers after giving them your feedback. We sat down and discussed these various points. Iâve described whatâs going to be changed where applicable and given explanations as to why aspects of the class were designed in a certain way. I hope you find this an informative and enlightening read! Druid feedback - Bun-Bun - 02-19-2005 Treesh,Feb 19 2005, 09:32 AM Wrote:Caydiem posted detailing what she's been talking about with the devs and druids. Sounds fine by me. All I was wanting was a DD cat finisher so all those combo points weren't wasted. A bit more cat damage won't hurt either. While I would like some mechanism to give a primary stat, I'll just have to keep a bag full of feral gear. :) Druid feedback - Artega - 02-19-2005 Treesh,Feb 19 2005, 10:32 AM Wrote:Caydiem posted detailing what she's been talking about with the devs and druids. Caydiem's a chick? :blink: Too bad the response to Warriors wasn't this organized. I'd still like for Hurricane to be a cast spell (kinda like the Druid's Hurricane in LoD), but they explained why they won't be doing that. Druid feedback - Sir_Die_alot - 02-20-2005 We protested, just not with mass gnomes. :) There was one thing I was not fond of and that is a bear form heal. I would much prefer swipe to work more like cleave (right now it is just unparalleled suckage) or a new ability altogether so fighting as a bear doesn't consist of: normal attack-normal attack-maul-normal attack-normal attack-maul-normal attack-normal attack-maul Healing in bear form just doesn't seem to keep with the class's alternate natures. I like the shift-heal-reshifts I sometimes do. It breaks up the current dullness that is otherwise being a bear druid. Give the rage heals to warriors, they need something to help them solo and this would be perfect. Druid feedback - Artega - 02-20-2005 What's this rage-healing all about? How would it be activated? How much healing are we talking about? Why should I dump my spare rage into negligible heals versus a more powerful Execute? I don't think you're gonna want Swipe to be more like the Rage-expensive, low-output Cleave. Not unless they're gonna increase Cleave's damage output significantly, anyway. As far as healing would go, it would make sense for some injuries to be healed while shifting shapes. Druid feedback - Sir_Die_alot - 02-20-2005 Artega,Feb 19 2005, 10:07 PM Wrote:What's this rage-healing all about? How would it be activated? How much healing are we talking about? Why should I dump my spare rage into negligible heals versus a more powerful Execute?Why would my bear want to do the same, especially considering he has multiple different healing spells which a warrior lacks. Besides you aren't going to be using execute if you are above a certain threshhold percentage of your target's hitpoints. You are trying to argue this point with me: your warrrior needs this ability less than my bear does. Consider the healing spells of a druid before arguing that. Quote:I don't think you're gonna want Swipe to be more like the Rage-expensive, low-output Cleave. Not unless they're gonna increase Cleave's damage output significantly, anyway.I can tell you have not had much experience with a bear druid, if any at all by this one. Swipe costs the same rage as cleave. And if you think cleave has a low damage output, try a skill that uses a flat number damage rather than including your melee damage. That not bad enough? Swipe damage is also reduced by your target's armor, can miss, be dodged, parried, and blocked. Maybe half the time I do use this (which is very rare) do I even manage to cause damage (which is usually in the 30s-40s, with a rank 4 ability) to all 3 targets. Swipe at it's very best is an aggro holding ability, and it sucks at doing that. By comparison I've found with my warrior when I'm tanking 2 instance mobs that building enough rage for cleave is easy. As for cleave being a bad damage skill? Remember it's to 2 targets, it's an effective doubling of damage/swing. Even more past rank 1. Again to compair, swipe is more like spreading my total damage to 3 targets (when everything goes right anyway). Quote:As far as healing would go, it would make sense for some injuries to be healed while shifting shapes.Did you read the linked to post at all? It's a heal that costs rage, not a heal that comes from shapeshifting. IMO: dumb. Especially for a class with healing spells as good as the druid has. If I'm shifting shapes, hopefully I healed before then. If I'm playing tank for a group, it would be wise to have someone else handle healing. Druid feedback - Artega - 02-21-2005 Quote:Why would my bear want to do the same, especially considering he has multiple different healing spells which a warrior lacks. Besides you aren't going to be using execute if you are above a certain threshhold percentage of your target's hitpoints. You are trying to argue this point with me: your warrrior needs this ability less than my bear does. Consider the healing spells of a druid before arguing that. I'm not arguing. I'm ASKING what this rage-heal is about. The OP didn't do a very good job of describing it. I doubt I'd use it, because if it was a significant amount of healing, we'd be overpowered. I'd rather squeeze in another MS or Sunder before the Execute than a heal for 50 HP. Quote:Speaking of enhancements to the forms, I feel this is a good time to mention the new, upcoming Bear Form ability currently being worked on that causes rage generated to heal the Druid instead of actually generating rage. The way the OP states it, it's sounding like it's an activated ability. You activate it, and you gain HP (as though you were stealing HP with your attack) instead of Rage with your normal attacks. The way you're describing makes it sounds as if it's an activated ability that instantly converts X Rage into Y HP. Where'd you reach this conclusion from? Quote:I can tell you have not had much experience with a bear druid, if any at all by this one. Swipe costs the same rage as cleave. And if you think cleave has a low damage output, try a skill that uses a flat number damage rather than including your melee damage. That not bad enough? Swipe damage is also reduced by your target's armor, can miss, be dodged, parried, and blocked. Maybe half the time I do use this (which is very rare) do I even manage to cause damage (which is usually in the 30s-40s, with a rank 4 ability) to all 3 targets. Swipe at it's very best is an aggro holding ability, and it sucks at doing that. Swipe is also INSTANT, not Next Melee. This makes a HUGE difference in Rage cost. Swipe's Rage cost is 20. Cleave's is also 20. But Cleave replaces a normal attack, meaning it costs the stated 20 Rage, plus whatever Rage that normal attack would have generated (anywhere from 4-10 Rage, depending on weapon setup and talents.) Swipe would be crazily overpowered if it was anywhere near Cleave's already low damage output. Druid feedback - Sir_Die_alot - 02-21-2005 Artega,Feb 20 2005, 05:00 PM Wrote:I'm not arguing. I'm ASKING what this rage-heal is about. The OP didn't do a very good job of describing it. I doubt I'd use it, because if it was a significant amount of healing, we'd be overpowered. I'd rather squeeze in another MS or Sunder before the Execute than a heal for 50 HP.The same place you did. The ambigious statement "Speaking of enhancements to the forms, I feel this is a good time to mention the new, upcoming Bear Form ability currently being worked on that causes rage generated to heal the Druid instead of actually generating rage." Reguardless of the particulars, it works by turning rage into hitpoints. For a druid ability IMO: dumb. For a warrior who has no combat heal except potions, it has some merrit. How much would depend on how much life and how much this negated a healer. I'm not saying it's a good idea definantly add it to warriors, I'm saying it's one that goes better on a warrior than it does a druid so give the druid something else. Quote:Swipe is also INSTANT, not Next Melee. This makes a HUGE difference in Rage cost. Swipe's Rage cost is 20. Cleave's is also 20. But Cleave replaces a normal attack, meaning it costs the stated 20 Rage, plus whatever Rage that normal attack would have generated (anywhere from 4-10 Rage, depending on weapon setup and talents.) Swipe would be crazily overpowered if it was anywhere near Cleave's already low damage output.Let me put this in more realitive terms. Imagine thunderclap did not slow attack speed and was just a damage ability. Would you say it was fine and in no need of beefing up because it did not use your next attack? Because when you compair the effective damages of the 2 abilities (remember, swipe is blocked, parried, dodged, and affected by armor) they are about the same damage wise. Druid feedback - Malakar - 02-21-2005 Bun-Bun,Feb 19 2005, 12:24 PM Wrote:All I was wanting was a DD cat finisher so all those combo points weren't wasted.Same here. I might actually log on my druid once this gets patched. :) Druid feedback - DarkCrown - 02-21-2005 Treesh,Feb 19 2005, 07:32 AM Wrote:Caydiem posted detailing what she's been talking about with the devs and druids. I'm very excited about seeing a DD finisher for the cat. I think this is a much needed change. But for high level play I think the big news is the change to Rebirth. Right now druids get invited on high level raids to do two things: cast Mark of the Wild and provide some secondary healing. Given the 8 debuff limit on mobs, no one wants to see a Moonfire or Faerie Fire in Molten Core. If the Rebirth is changed so that it works reliably (as it should) and doesn't take a huge chunk of your mana pool, it has the potential to prevent a total wipe. Every time I've cast it to try to save the party I've gotten a silly 3 minute timer and a "Nice try" from my intended target. -DarkCrown |