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computer problems again - Alram - 12-06-2006 For a few days I have bee getting intermittent freezes; the machine needs to be manually shut down. Now it won't boot up at all. The lights come on, and the optical drives go through their little light show, but then everything stops. I never even get to any of the bootup screens. A week or 2 previously the system hung up when shutting down and lost the internet connection. I ascribed that to updating my AVG software. After removing AVG and running AVAST instead thatttt problem seemed to disappear--I don't know if that is related. What could be the culprit and how and where do I start? Thanks. computer problems again - GhastMaster - 12-06-2006 Quote:For a few days I have bee getting intermittent freezes; the machine needs to be manually shut down. Now it won't boot up at all. The lights come on, and the optical drives go through their little light show, but then everything stops. I never even get to any of the bootup screens. Have you tried booting from your xp cd? That's pretty strange. I wish you luck. computer problems again - Wyrm - 12-06-2006 Quote:I never even get to any of the bootup screens.Flash the BIOS maybe? There's always the end-all solution: kick the thing. computer problems again - roguebanshee - 12-06-2006 Quote:I never even get to any of the bootup screens.When you say bootup screens do you mean BIOS startup (RAM check etc.) or Windows startup? computer problems again - Alram - 12-06-2006 Quote:When you say bootup screens do you mean BIOS startup (RAM check etc.) or Windows startup?No BIOS, no RAM check, no Windows startup--nothing. The monitor is blank--the monitor is not the problem--the machine just stops. I should probably add that it has done this intermittently ever since I had it, but would always then go boot up normally when it hung if I pressed the cute little reboot button. Quote:There's always the end-all solution: kick the thing.It has no tires. computer problems again - roguebanshee - 12-06-2006 Quote:No BIOS, no RAM check, no Windows startup--nothing. The monitor is blank--the monitor is not the problem--the machine just stops. I should probably add that it has done this intermittently ever since I had it, but would always then go boot up normally when it hung if I pressed the cute little reboot button.Could be a loose connection, bad RAM, faulty gfx card or a bunch of other problems. If your computer beeps a couple of times you could always try to look at this to see if you can determine the cause. computer problems again - kandrathe - 12-06-2006 Quote:No BIOS, no RAM check, no Windows startup--nothing. The monitor is blank--the monitor is not the problem--the machine just stops. I should probably add that it has done this intermittently ever since I had it, but would always then go boot up normally when it hung if I pressed the cute little reboot button.When things act like you are describing, I begin with the basic power train. I would suspect that some crucial component is no longer working. If you cannot get through the POST, then I would begin by stripping the computer of all it's unneeded add ons. Start with the basic Power supply, Motherboard, RAM. Use on board video configured in VGA mode if possible. If you still do not get through the POST, then if you have more than one RAM stick pull one, test. If that fails, swap to the other, and test. If you have only one, find a friend who has a similar stick you can test with. If it comes down to a problem with either the Power supply or Motherboard... This is like your cars engine and transmission. It sounds like you've got power, so at this point I would suspect that whatever the motherboard component was that was marginal has now failed completely. It sounds like your system has been barely working for a long time. I used to have a DELL system like that with a flaky sound device, but since I've been building my own I've avoided the "cheap" component issue. You need a new computer. Have you been "Naughty" or "Nice" this year? computer problems again - Alram - 12-07-2006 Quote:When things act like you are describing, I begin with the basic power train. I would suspect that some crucial component is no longer working. If you cannot get through the POST, then I would begin by stripping the computer of all it's unneeded add ons. Start with the basic Power supply, Motherboard, RAM. Use on board video configured in VGA mode if possible. If you still do not get through the POST, then if you have more than one RAM stick pull one, test. If that fails, swap to the other, and test. If you have only one, find a friend who has a similar stick you can test with. If it comes down to a problem with either the Power supply or Motherboard... This is like your cars engine and transmission. It sounds like you've got power, so at this point I would suspect that whatever the motherboard component was that was marginal has now failed completely. It sounds like your system has been barely working for a long time. I used to have a DELL system like that with a flaky sound device, but since I've been building my own I've avoided the "cheap" component issue.It sounds like good advice, and the computer goes on the kitchen table Friday when I have some time. BTW, there are no "cheap" components. It is an Antec Neopower power supply and an ASUS motherboard. computer problems again - kandrathe - 12-07-2006 Quote:It sounds like good advice, and the computer goes on the kitchen table Friday when I have some time. BTW, there are no "cheap" components. It is an Antec Neopower power supply and an ASUS motherboard.I was only reflecting on my own experience. I've just found that if you don't actually design the system from the Mobo up, with adequate power, adequate cooling, really solid components with the latest stable drivers, that the entire system suffers stability issues and an early death. The tendency is for the builder to try to skimp on something to make a extra buck or two. For example, I typically end up replacing or adding heat sinks for chips that run hotter on most stock motherboards. And... After my last DELL was designed so poorly, I decided that I could do better myself and that since I'm in the computing business having a stable and reliable machine was worth the extra effort. computer problems again - Alram - 12-08-2006 Quote:I was only reflecting on my own experience. I've just found that if you don't actually design the system from the Mobo up, with adequate power, adequate cooling, really solid components with the latest stable drivers, that the entire system suffers stability issues and an early death. The tendency is for the builder to try to skimp on something to make a extra buck or two. For example, I typically end up replacing or adding heat sinks for chips that run hotter on most stock motherboards. And... After my last DELL was designed so poorly, I decided that I could do better myself and that since I'm in the computing business having a stable and reliable machine was worth the extra effort.The way I skimped was by buying a motherboard that only has 1 slot for an SLI video card. At the time it seemed like a wise choice, but for only $30 more... Anyway, thanks again for your suggestions; I'll be working on the box tomorrow. computer problems again - Alram - 12-08-2006 That small fan atop the motherboard's onboard chip does not spin. I manually twirled it around (with the power off) and unplugged it and replugged it back into its power source, but it does not spin. I guess that is the problem. So now I need to practically rebuild my computer by removing and replacing the motherboard. Oh well... computer problems again - kandrathe - 12-09-2006 Quote:That small fan atop the motherboard's onboard chip does not spin. I manually twirled it around (with the power off) and unplugged it and replugged it back into its power source, but it does not spin. I guess that is the problem. So now I need to practically rebuild my computer by removing and replacing the motherboard. Oh well...You might be able to find a replacement. Do you think heat stress has made the component fail? But, it would definitely explain some of the flakiness. computer problems again - Alram - 12-09-2006 Quote:You might be able to find a replacement. Do you think heat stress has made the component fail? But, it would definitely explain some of the flakiness.I actually had trouble with it early on -- it made awful noises. After a time the noise stopped and I assumed that it was running ok, but it might have simply stopped functioning and caused some overheating damage. computer problems again - Roland - 12-09-2006 Quote:I actually had trouble with it early on -- it made awful noises. After a time the noise stopped and I assumed that it was running ok, but it might have simply stopped functioning and caused some overheating damage. Try replacing the fan before the whole motherboard. A $5 fan could save you 15% or more on... wait... Seriously, try the fan. computer problems again - Flymo - 12-09-2006 Quote:Try replacing the fan before the whole motherboard. A $5 fan could save you 15% or more on... wait...I suspect that's too late. From the history, it sounds like the motherboard has been fried. Otherwise it would boot up and not crash until it got too hot. computer problems again - Alram - 12-12-2006 This is proving to be more complicated than just a fan not spinning on the MB. It turns out I don't have a suitable substitute power supply to try; my power supply does meet the specs however. Anyway, I emailed ASUS, the MB manufacturer. I received a reply which I am posting at the bottom of this post. Following their directions, I still got no post when I removed the MB from the case. But after I removed the CPU, I was able to force a post/vocal post error to the effect there was no CPU. The MB fan still does not spin. A couple of times during my multiple starts it tried to spin, but did not succeed in spinning. So -- I could have an issue with the CPU as well as the MB fan? How do I test the CPU? Remove the old thermal paste, apply new paste and retry it? Quote: computer problems again - Drasca - 12-12-2006 Even good components eventually wear out, they're just much less likely. I've had an enermax Power supply wear out on me in 1-1.5 years, and was the unknowing source of my problems for a long while. Please do consider trying a new (or different) power supply... but I'd consider Kandrathe's bigger advice: You need a new computer! computer problems again - Alram - 01-29-2007 Hurrah! Hooray! Yippee! Huzzah Huzzah! My computer works again! Thank you everyone for your suggestions. 1st of all I sent the Motherboard back to ASUS. They replaced the faulty onboard chip fan with a heatsink; apparently that particular ASUS mb has a known problem with the fan. They also changed out some unspellable component n-mosfet-etc. However, the computer still would not boot nor would the fans spin; I fiddled with the wires from the power supply and the fans spun, but it still wouldn't boot. I bought a new power supply and Voila: MY COMPUTER BOOTED UP! Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. computer problems again - DeeBye - 01-29-2007 Quote:I bought a new power supply and Voila: MY COMPUTER BOOTED UP! Just out of curiosity, what power supply did you get? computer problems again - Alram - 01-29-2007 The original PS was an Antec NeoPower. I bought this one because of its modular nature--allowing you to leave unneeded cables in the box. The new one is an Antec Earthwatts. This was the best name brand PS for the price that compUSA had on the shelf when I went to buy a new PS. |