(03-28-2012, 03:20 PM)[wcip]Angel Wrote: lol



Today's Extra Punctuation:

Quote:But I doubt the fanbase of Mass Effect were dismayed because they wanted an appropriate ending to the story. Rather, they wanted some kind of appropriate closure for the many-storied and I would argue unnecessarily lengthy process up to this point. Perhaps some epilogue where we get to see what all the characters we met along the way got up to after the events of the series, which I imagine would be easier if they hadn't pretty much all been killed off. I've been given to understand that Bioware are talking about changing the ending under the massive pressure from the idiot fanbase, and I hope like hell they're just talking about doing something like that, an epilogue appendix style thing just to square away the subplots.

Because it would set a horrible precedent if they're serious about actually changing the ending in line with some kind of democratically agreed upon alternative, rather than merely expanding or adding to it. I'm not as incensed about this concept as Moviebob has been on Twitter lately, but I can definitely say it's a bad idea. Because if it's established that the creators of a story can be pressured by constant browbeating by the audience, then the sanctity of the creator's original intention is made meaningless. The series will effectively have no ending, just a big gap with the words "Audience: Fill In Your Preferred Ending Here". This may be a time of politically correct inclusion of all points of view, but sooner or later the cockheads of the world are just going to have to accept that there are people who know better than them. You know. People who don't have cocks for heads. (emphasis added)

(03-29-2012, 12:45 AM)Lissa Wrote: Also, looking at the DLC character, in my mind now, they were lying that they worked on this in the midterm and then added because they had time. Typically with the other DLC characters like Zaeed and Kasumi, there wasn't much interaction between those two characters and the other normal characters in ME 2 (showing that there were truly seperate from the story). The DLC character for ME 3 has a lot of interactive dialogue with the other squad members (one that is incredibly humorous with Tali - "emergency induction port!" the new multipass) and even other NPCs which Zaeed and Kasumi never had (the only Zaeed/NPC intereaction, outside of the loyalty mission, I can think of is if you took Zaeed to get Garrus in ME 2 and when talking with the Blue Suns, the head of Omega's Blue Suns had a short chat with Zaeed). Is the DLC character needed to complete the game, no, but you can definitely tell that it was probably removed from the main game, and if it was truly an after setup, they pulled in a lot of voice actors for that one DLC character.

(03-29-2012, 12:12 PM)Quark Wrote:

(03-29-2012, 12:45 AM)Lissa Wrote: Also, looking at the DLC character, in my mind now, they were lying that they worked on this in the midterm and then added because they had time. Typically with the other DLC characters like Zaeed and Kasumi, there wasn't much interaction between those two characters and the other normal characters in ME 2 (showing that there were truly seperate from the story). The DLC character for ME 3 has a lot of interactive dialogue with the other squad members (one that is incredibly humorous with Tali - "emergency induction port!" the new multipass) and even other NPCs which Zaeed and Kasumi never had (the only Zaeed/NPC intereaction, outside of the loyalty mission, I can think of is if you took Zaeed to get Garrus in ME 2 and when talking with the Blue Suns, the head of Omega's Blue Suns had a short chat with Zaeed). Is the DLC character needed to complete the game, no, but you can definitely tell that it was probably removed from the main game, and if it was truly an after setup, they pulled in a lot of voice actors for that one DLC character.

All games have time between going for certification and being released. This is dead weight time - you can't add anything to the disk, or else certification has to restart. You could work on a 0-day patch, or DLC if you wished.

Javik was originally written in, but they cut him due to time constraints in finishing his mission and interactions. This is why his fight data is on disk, but the interactions and mission are DLC and unlock him. I think he should have been like Zaeed - free for all new games, can pay to get him used.

With the collector's edition I got him anyway, but getting base edition it's debatable at best if he's worth the purchase. Basically depends on if you want to see someone who completely defies Liara's expectations.

Quote:Over the past decade in television, we’ve seen a creative medium come into its own and take some bold leaps forward, but there’s still some room to grow. I think after The Sopranos--or, more specifically, after Twin Peaks--I think a lot of TV storytellers became enamored with this notion that TV writing can be an art and I can be an artist, and I can have my own show and tell my own story and it’s my story, my world, my rules, and I’m going to tell you a story and you’re going to listen to it, and you’re going to follow it, and if I bring you to a certain end that is maybe not necessarily a happy ending or the ending that you want, it’s still my story. It has to be my story if it has any artistic integrity..

(04-01-2012, 10:25 AM)[wcip]Angel Wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOqHUa2LfNY - Love the omni guitar

Another good article on the ending and fan entitlement.

This quote isn't representative of the view in ther article, but it's the argument I identify with the most.

Quote:Over the past decade in television, we’ve seen a creative medium come into its own and take some bold leaps forward, but there’s still some room to grow. I think after The Sopranos--or, more specifically, after Twin Peaks--I think a lot of TV storytellers became enamored with this notion that TV writing can be an art and I can be an artist, and I can have my own show and tell my own story and it’s my story, my world, my rules, and I’m going to tell you a story and you’re going to listen to it, and you’re going to follow it, and if I bring you to a certain end that is maybe not necessarily a happy ending or the ending that you want, it’s still my story. It has to be my story if it has any artistic integrity..

(04-01-2012, 04:27 PM)Lissa Wrote: Problem then comes, if people don't like it, do you think a producer is going to let you write another story? Look no further than M Night Shamalaya. Look how far he fell because of Signs and follow on projects. Everyone agrees that the twist to the end of Sixth Sense was pretty awesome and tied in well with the rest of the movie, but after that, his twist endings have gotten him into more trouble than not.

(04-01-2012, 08:17 PM)Jester Wrote:

(04-01-2012, 04:27 PM)Lissa Wrote: Problem then comes, if people don't like it, do you think a producer is going to let you write another story? Look no further than M Night Shamalaya. Look how far he fell because of Signs and follow on projects. Everyone agrees that the twist to the end of Sixth Sense was pretty awesome and tied in well with the rest of the movie, but after that, his twist endings have gotten him into more trouble than not.

Every M. Night Shymalan movie, with the exception of the Lady in the Water, has made plenty of money. Producers care about profit, not whether you think their endings are bullshit. (Hey, there's even a song about this very phenomenon.) He has also self-produced everything since Unbreakable. He has a big-budget movie coming out in 2013 with Will Smith in it.

So, why is it again that he's not going to get to write more stories? Or do we, in fact, need to "look further" than M. Night Shymalan?

-Jester

(04-01-2012, 09:38 PM)Lissa Wrote: I think the facts about how much his movies make after the first weekend, and overall, (exception here being Sixith Sense) shows how bad his writing/directing is. Follow the links and you'll see how bad he's been doing. Hint, he doesn't do very well. It's typically only due to world wide release that he makes any money (and he's actually bombed serveral times on his last few films).

So yes, if you end up losing money, you won't be writing further unless you can produce it yourself (and most people in the entertainment industry can't).

(04-01-2012, 10:02 PM)Jabberwolky Wrote: are any of you guys playing multi, if so whats your handle. It would be cool to spark up some multi time with lurkers.

(04-01-2012, 09:57 PM)Jester Wrote:

(04-01-2012, 09:38 PM)Lissa Wrote: I think the facts about how much his movies make after the first weekend, and overall, (exception here being Sixith Sense) shows how bad his writing/directing is. Follow the links and you'll see how bad he's been doing. Hint, he doesn't do very well. It's typically only due to world wide release that he makes any money (and he's actually bombed serveral times on his last few films).

So yes, if you end up losing money, you won't be writing further unless you can produce it yourself (and most people in the entertainment industry can't).

I don't understand what "only due to world wide release" means to the argument. What does a producer care if he earns it in the US or not? If he was losing money, that would be different, but he isn't. Check the full numbers individually for each link - every last one of those movies except The Lady in the Water has made lots of money.

Regardless, he *is* making movies. Still. With A-listers and big budgets. So, whatever your priors, his hackneyed crap is still being made. Thus, his example does not serve your argument at all, let alone as a one-shot kill.

-Jester

(04-02-2012, 01:43 AM)Lissa Wrote: Did you totally miss that his last three films bombed horribly? He lost money in all three of the last films in total gross.

Quote:Take a look at the difference between what he made in total money from Sixth Sense vs. what it cost and then look at his last three films in the total money made and what each cost. He's been on a downward trend since Signs. If it weren't for the fact that he's producing himself, he'd not be making movies at all.

(04-02-2012, 03:00 AM)Pesmerga Wrote: Eh, go figure. I had no particular issue with the ending. Sure, I would have liked it explained who my squadmate from the last mission got on the ship,

Quote:Or my Shepard to have survived.

(04-05-2012, 12:19 PM)NiteFox Wrote: and maxing out on War Assets only nudges you over 6,000 if you're lucky)

(04-05-2012, 01:51 PM)Quark Wrote: The small bit added at the end for one specific path IGN says requires 4000 EMS and saving Anderson (by saving I mean either convincing TIM *or* Renegade interrupt, so you get to talk with him after the fact), *or* 5000 EMS. Neither of these is possible without multiplayer (or any of the minigame crap that adds to Readiness). I kind of wish it didn't exist at all, though.