Quote:You realize Occhi that is costs more to try to kill someone that it does to put them away for life? Life without Parole means you get one appeal unless evidence comes up that proves your innocence. With putting someone on death row, they end up costing tax payers more money over the course of 15 to 20 years (pretty standard for the time spent on death row) because they have many more appeals and can appeal on grounds that they wouldn't get if they were put away for life.

So if you're going to bring in economics into this, it's cheaper to put them away for life than it is to kill them.

Quote:This is what I mean about liberals. It's all about you, first and foremost. All your values are f....d up.
Edit: Yes, I know that this *is* an "effing parent" type of answer. You got a problem with that?
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Quote:Ok, that is a very big difference between conservatives and liberals. Accountability vs. excuses.

Quote:Call me heartless if you like. Some people just need killing.

Occhi

Quote:When I say that here on the Lounge, people insult me, put me down, and tell me to stop making death penalty posts...

Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it aint true.

Some people just need killing.

Like that #$%&wit here in my state that built a dungeon under his trailer park home and abducted those girls. Or the got-damn repeat offenders that keep molesting kids and getting away with it, especially after they have been put away once or thrice where "they will never be a threat to society ever again" but get out back on the street due to budget cuts or overpopulation catch and release policies.

And while we are killing these people, for the love of hominy grits, please, do it in public.

Quote:Doc! Please stop making these Death Penalty threads!

:D

My problem with the "Some people just need killing." position, is who chooses and when do you stop? We could rewind the clock 2000 years and bring back all the good old Roman Empire persecutions to keep the masses cowed and under control.

Quote:My problem with the "Some people just need killing." position, is who chooses and when do you stop?

Quote:No, I was testing you to see if you could really believe your own comments about Self control. I knew the right answer here, I wanted to be sure that even you knew the right answer and would come to a point where you have to throw self control out the window. That is the point I was making and what makes us Human. We know that we should control ourselves, but there are times where stimuli dictate that we take action based on urges.

Maybe you're now a little closer to understanding that self control can't always be maintained for whatever reason, be it the circumstances of the moment, a chemical imbalance, or some other issue. Humanity, also has to work on instinct at times and those instincts combined with our ability to rationalize situations is what makes us Human. Sometimes the wires get crossed and strange things happen and rationality and insticts go by the road side, but it does happen and we can only hope that it doesn't happen to us.

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I'm gonna have to call *ull*hit on that. Just because a person believes that all psychotic people should not be put automatically through a wood chipper when they skip the Haldol and act all homicidal does not make them a pinko commie liberal.

Quote:You're should be right, shouldn't you? Let's take a poll as to who in this thread is a liberal and who is a conservative. Let's then look at their responses here. Oh and from reading Lissa's posts from before, I know he's a liberal anyway.
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Quote:And some of us reject either label. I am starting to trend populist, in the Perot and Andrew Jackson sense. That means a sorta Libertarian who holds the diverse and disunited Libertarian movement in mild contempt.

There is a role for government, and it's not going to be perfect. Get over it, Libertarians. It how much, and how, not whether or not.

Also, Ashock, Liberal in what sense? Conservative in what sense? Neo conservatives seem to spend a whole lot of other people's money, just like old school LBJ Liberals.

Their kids probably go to the same private schools. :whistling:

Occhi

Quote:There's a world of difference as far as self-control in not eating, and self-control in KILLING YOUR OWN KIDS. If this female (and I am using that term to describe here, as she is definately not a woman) was institutionalized and broke out to go kill her kids, then I could see how she is a complete psycho case and really should just be put back in. However, that is not the case. This is an individual who was living among us. She was normal enough to have a husband and to function in our society. She is normal enough to face real punishment.

If someone has a "moment", that does not give them a carte blanche to do whatever. Some things are understandable, but there's a limit.
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Quote:There are about 2.2 to 3 million Americans who exhibit psychotic symptoms according to the NIMH. How many should we kill?

Quote:I think Doc is scary, and I know he would agree with me.

Quote:I most certainly am not. I am a pacifist and believe in the preservation of human life.

Even of course if this means removing threats to human lives for the sake of the greater good. If it costs one life to keep many other lives in safety and peace, so be it. Small price to pay.

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Somehow, given your extremes of profanity and recommendations for Social Revolution, "pacifist" wasn't the first term that sprang to mind. Isn't it interesting how we view ourselves despite all indications to the contrary.

Quote:I am a strong advocate of non violent protest. And in conflict I will do very very little to defend my self. I'll take a beating and keep asking for somebody to stike me. And I will keep getting up for as long as I am able.

However, my pacifist views change a bit due to circumstances. Women and children for example, I will most certainly rise up and bust skulls should danger come to them, or somebody truly incapable of defending themselves. And violence is only allowed to to the point of incompacitating a body... After that, I lecture them quite sternly on why I had to hurt them, and why they shouldn't do that. And give an honest apology for breaking whatever bones I just broke.

Quote: Profanity has nothing to do with being pacifist. That is just silly.

Quote:As for social revolution, Ghandi and Martin Luther King both had views on social revolution and were both pacifists, both believed in non violent protest. Do nothing to defend your self, defend others only if you have to. I know exactly what I am, and I think you need to look up what the word pacifist means.

Quote:There are times though when violence is the only solution. One should not be such a fool as to deny this.

Quote:So, you're a pacifist until you determine you're not a pacifist. Interesting.
My error -- I associate profanity with aggression. Perhaps it's because the majority of your posts feature both profanity and aggression so intricately interlocked that I became confused on your claim to have a calm demeanor.


pacifist

adj : opposed to war [syn: pacifist(a), pacifistic, dovish] n : someone opposed to violence as a means of settling disputes [syn: pacificist, disarmer]

I don't see any reference to a threshold whereupon asses are to be kicked. Perhaps you might need to look up what the word hypocrite means.
I find it remarkable you can foreward Ghandi as a reference and put this statement as your conclusion. It shows a dexterity of mind that borders on schism.

Quote:I am a Federalist. A government of the people, for the people, by the people. Due democratic process.

Quote:The dexterity of your mind needs a bit of a work out.