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The Political Compass - Guest - 11-14-2005
Its not so much that Im an extremist as that the test doesnt really tell anything.
Most of my positions are rather nuanced but they have a arestrong .
Consider this.
If someone put down the opposite answer from me on ever question the test would give them almost the exact same score as me.
The Political Compass - Doc - 11-14-2005
**Raises hand**
I have a question... How would Leonard Cohen score? I mean, he was a real mishmash of politics, taboo subjects, religion, abortion, pretty much everything.
Quote:Give me back my broken night
my mirrored room, my secret life
it's lonely here,
there's no one left to torture
Give me absolute control
over every living soul
And lie beside me, baby,
that's an order!
Give me crack and anal sex
Take the only tree that's left
and stuff it up the hole
in your culture
Give me back the Berlin wall
give me Stalin and St Paul
I've seen the future, brother:
it is murder.
Things are going to slide, slide in all directions
Won't be nothing
Nothing you can measure anymore
The blizzard, the blizzard of the world
has crossed the threshold
and it has overturned
the order of the soul
When they said REPENT REPENT
I wonder what they meant
When they said REPENT REPENT
I wonder what they meant
When they said REPENT REPENT
I wonder what they meant
You don't know me from the wind
you never will, you never did
I'm the little jew
who wrote the Bible
I've seen the nations rise and fall
I've heard their stories, heard them all
but love's the only engine of survival
Your servant here, he has been told
to say it clear, to say it cold:
It's over, it ain't going
any further
And now the wheels of heaven stop
you feel the devil's riding crop
Get ready for the future:
it is murder
Things are going to slide ...
There'll be the breaking of the ancient
western code
Your private life will suddenly explode
There'll be phantoms
There'll be fires on the road
and the white man dancing
You'll see a woman
hanging upside down
her features covered by her fallen gown
and all the lousy little poets
coming round
tryin' to sound like Charlie Manson
and the white man dancin'
Give me back the Berlin wall
Give me Stalin and St Paul
Give me Christ
or give me Hiroshima
Destroy another fetus now
We don't like children anyhow
I've seen the future, baby:
it is murder
Things are going to slide ...
When they said REPENT REPENT ...
The Political Compass - Ashock - 11-14-2005
Ashock,Nov 14 2005, 12:54 PM Wrote:Ashock, that crossed the line - keep it civil or take it to PM.
-Bolty
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Ahh, but it was amusing, at least to me :shuriken:
-A
The Political Compass - Nystul - 11-14-2005
Occhidiangela,Nov 14 2005, 05:37 PM Wrote:I am secure enough in my position not to need validation by being advised that my selections make me similar to "some famous person." I mean, what was Ghandi's golf handicap, anyway? Did he get the shakes over 5 foot putts for 5 rupees with only 3 in his pocket? What kind of character did he really have? :D
One of those long personality profile tests on me came back "a lot like Douglas MacArthur" about 10 years ago. How nice, but I don't own a brewery, nor is my family patrician. It dawned on me that:
1. This sort of test was as much about "feel good" as it was anything of value.
2. Why don't they have a categorization for "overcaffeinated rogue" anyway? Who the heck writes this stuff? O.R. is a great profile to have, really, trust me on that! :lol: *twitches* What tic are you talking about Chaer? :blink:
Occhi
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Come on Occhi, don't hold out on us... In the time you wrote that you could taken the test and posted your score twice! Otherwise we will have to get a pool going. My wager is -3 econ/-1.5 social.
The Political Compass - Occhidiangela - 11-14-2005
Nystul,Nov 14 2005, 05:34 PM Wrote:Come on Occhi, don't hold out on us... In the time you wrote that you could taken the test and posted your score twice! Otherwise we will have to get a pool going. My wager is -3 econ/-1.5 social.
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OK. For you, old buddy.
Occhi
The Political Compass - Nystul - 11-14-2005
Doc,Nov 14 2005, 06:05 PM Wrote:**Raises hand**
I have a question... How would Leonard Cohen score? I mean, he was a real mishmash of politics, taboo subjects, religion, abortion, pretty much everything.
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4/-2.
In songwriting and singing, respectively. :shuriken:
The Political Compass - Doc - 11-14-2005
Nystul,Nov 14 2005, 06:36 PM Wrote:4/-2.
In songwriting and singing, respectively. :shuriken:
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Watch it you... I happen to like his voice. It's soothing. Some songs are really quite beautiful and only he could pull off singing them.
Ever heard Bono trying to sing Hallelujah? Blargh, absotootly wretched.
The Political Compass - Occhidiangela - 11-14-2005
Nystul,Nov 14 2005, 05:36 PM Wrote:4/-2.
In songwriting and singing, respectively. :shuriken:
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Nystul:
I ended up -1.00/1.13.
No red dots very near to that, probably because true moderates rarely get elected. ;) When I measured by my eye, it seems I have more in common with Saddam Hussein and Robet Mugabe, on the basis of distance from the dot, than with George W Bush. That got me giggling. My two closest "avatars" in distance were Gerhard Schroeder and Jacques Chirac. I am ever closer in distance to Tony Blair that to Silvio Berlusconi, and to Silvio than than GWB. More giggles. Guffaws even. OK, I like Italian wine better than Yale BS.
Quite a few questions had answers where none of the 4 choices fit my view, so I hit one of the two middle choices. A redo would change 4 responses at most. The test can only be so good, and yet my assertion that I am a true moderate appears to have been sustained. Like that matters to anyone in the age of Endless Election. (Ever since Nov 2000.)
Being pro choice and pro legalizing pot (when we get the breathalizer to work) since that will bring more money to American growers, probably has an influence on all that.
Occhi
The Political Compass - Munkay - 11-15-2005
Archon_Wing,Nov 14 2005, 04:01 PM Wrote:Wait, how does the popemobile look like? Does it have any cool devices, you know.
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The old model was not too shabby, with full off road capabilities.
![[Image: 838-pope7.jpg]](http://nandotimes.nandomedia.com/ips_rich_content/838-pope7.jpg)
But the new one is top of the line luxury. It's fully loaded, heated seats and everything.
![[Image: popemobile.jpg]](http://j-walkblog.com/old/images/popemobile.jpg)
;)
Cheers,
Munk
The Political Compass - Jester - 11-15-2005
You're not the only one. I think I'm the farthest left-libertarian I've seen so far (although I'm slightly right of Griselda on economic issues... probably by one "strongly")
Economic: -7.13
Social: -8.46
Practically an anarchist over here. :rolleyes:
-Jester
The Political Compass - Occhidiangela - 11-15-2005
Jester,Nov 14 2005, 06:29 PM Wrote:You're not the only one. I think I'm the farthest left-libertarian I've seen so far (although I'm slightly right of Griselda on economic issues... probably by one "strongly")
Economic: -7.13
Social: -8.46
Practically an anarchist over here. :rolleyes:
-Jester
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That was Enijas, you're just a bleeding heart. :D It's all good, it takes all kinds.
Occhi
The Political Compass - Jester - 11-15-2005
Well, it's pretty clear that the test was designed with you Yankees (or Gringos, from the other side) in mind.
Lots of those questions were obvious for me, and yet, where I live, I'm fairly radical, but certainly not scale-tipping.
The economic questions were absolute garbage, and a more sophisticated system would show me to be more market-oriented than how I appeared on that test.
The social libertarian end was accurate, though. Those are much easier to test, because there's no annoying feedback. A free market that helps the rich can also help the poor, and a socialized market that gives the poor money to spend can also help the rich. But someone who believes morality derives from god is not likely to be confused with a moral relativist.
Some day, someone will come up with one of these that's actually half decent. Then we'll compare results, and see where we really stand. :D
-Jester
The Political Compass - Archon_Wing - 11-15-2005
Munkay,Nov 14 2005, 05:17 PM Wrote:The old model was not too shabby, with full off road capabilities.
But the new one is top of the line luxury. It's fully loaded, heated seats and everything.
;)
Cheers,
Munk
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Well, that's a much more informative response that I could have ever expected. ;)
Cheers indeed. :lol: It's too bad nobody will have a one-liner for this. "TO the popemobile!!"
The Political Compass - Munkay - 11-15-2005
Archon_Wing,Nov 14 2005, 08:41 PM Wrote:Well, that's a much more informative response that I could have ever expected. ;)
Cheers indeed. :lol: It's too bad nobody will have a one-liner for this. "TO the popemobile!!"
Well, what I said was entirely made up. :whistling:
But the folks who actually decided to research this, did not make it up:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popemobile
As for the one liner, it really is too bad that it won't ever be used. ;)
Cheers,
Munk
The Political Compass - Doc - 11-15-2005
I just realised I might have made a blunder in a post.
How many of you kids even know who Leonard Cohen is, other than a bleak mention in a Nirvana song?
I am thinking my deep and meaningful joke may have been made a decade or two late.
Which makes me sad. :unsure:
The Political Compass - ima_nerd - 11-15-2005
Economic Left/Right: -2.63
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.08
About what I expected. I thought myself more conservatve economically and more liberal socially but I guess caring for the poor and being anti-abortion put me where I am.
I'm cool with that.
The Political Compass - whyBish - 11-15-2005
Chaerophon,Nov 14 2005, 10:12 AM Wrote:I thought that some of the folks here would enjoy this little test. Check it out if you get the chance at http://www.politicalcompass.org/ I fall somewhere between the Dalai Lama and Nelson Mandela on the scale :D. I'm curious to know where people stand!???
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4,-2.6???
I'm classified as a libertarian???
People that know me know I'm closer to an authoritarian capitalist.
Many of those questions are very Americentric (particularly the abortion/death penalty/personal freedoms vs terrorism/gay marriage etc.), and the lack of a don't care/neutral option also biases it...
I was expecting to be somewhere around an 8,8 :P
The Political Compass - Jester - 11-15-2005
"How many of you kids even know who Leonard Cohen is, other than a bleak mention in a Nirvana song?"
Well, at 23, I'm probably getting well on in my years, but I own three of his albums.
I also dislike Nirvana.
But, then, I'm also Canadian, eh?
-ihaveseenthefutureitisJester
The Political Compass - eppie - 11-15-2005
Jester,Nov 15 2005, 07:46 AM Wrote:"How many of you kids even know who Leonard Cohen is, other than a bleak mention in a Nirvana song?"
Well, at 23, I'm probably getting well on in my years, but I own three of his albums.
I also dislike Nirvana.
But, then, I'm also Canadian, eh?
-ihaveseenthefutureitisJester
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I like these quotes from the best comedy ever made "the young ones"
Neil: "No-one ever listens to me...I might as well be a Leonard Cohen record"
and
Neil:" oh no!! then we will be dead but still alive....like Leonard Cohen"
I like Leonard Cohen though.
The Political Compass - Doc - 11-15-2005
Jester,Nov 15 2005, 02:46 AM Wrote:"How many of you kids even know who Leonard Cohen is, other than a bleak mention in a Nirvana song?"
Well, at 23, I'm probably getting well on in my years, but I own three of his albums.
I also dislike Nirvana.
But, then, I'm also Canadian, eh?
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Youngin, you are off to a good start in life. You will do ok.