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Quote:Before you all go out and crucify her, I suggest you read up on the facts of the case and about postpartum depression. You would probably be enlightened on what you found out and might just realize, that while she did a heinous act, there is far more going on that people realize from reading and watching what the news media is throwing at you.

Do a little research, you might in the end have a little sympathy for this woman and the fact that if she ever is cured, which is doubtful, she will have to live the rest of her days thinking about what she had done in the state she is (was if cured) in.

Quote:Ah, how the mighty has fallen. Welcome to my level. Your last couple of posts have lost you some respect.

Quote:The raw emotions of the human spirit can not, and should not always be ignored or repressed. It is what makes us both great and terrible as human beings.

Quote:So the primary problem with this whole scenario is that our current laws allow her to escape the "realm of guilt" simply because of her mental state. Makes no sense to me.

Quote:Since you brought up the KKK, yes, they are needed in this world. Because of the KKK, we have had visionaries like Martin Luther King find his life's purpose. [...]

Quote:Did she do it? Absolutely, there's no doubt about this whatsoever, ergo she is guilty. The question of guilt (imho) begins and ends with "did they do it?" Mental, emotional, financial, etc... state at the time of the crime are extraneous and irrelevant factors in detirmining "guilt"

Quote:[...] Additionally, you display an utter lack of respect to those that disagree with you. Up to a point, that is fine and I do that too. You however, have degenerated too far even for my own tastes in this matter. Also, I do not take well to being patronized, especially by the likes of someone who is not really living in the same world I am. This last series of posts has just sealed all of the above for me.

There is a term in russian that I will mention. Maybe there is an equivalent in english, but I can't think of it. Anyway, in russian the word "umnui" means smart. The word "zaumnui" means someone who thinks they are smarter than they actually are. It in no way implies that they are dumb, just that they think too much of themselves.[...]
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Quote:If Chuck Norris attacks me bare handed, and I shoot him to defend myself, that would be legitimate self defence.

Quote:I don't deny that post-partum depression is a very real and very serious thing, but it's impossible for people to look beyond the fact that she killed her 5 children. Mental health professionals might understand it, but everyone else just sees the 5 dead children killed by her own hand.

Quote:So, given the situation, there are several possible solutions that could have prevented the tragedy, but each one has thorny issues of its own.
1. Forced sterilization--In hindsight, this could be considered an excellent solution, but what American in their right mind would advocate or support such a measure?

2. Involuntary commitment to a mental facility--This solution if applied judiciously could be of great benefit, but also carries with it the potential for abuse, and violates our cherished notions of liberty.

3. Abortion--In other words kill the kids before Mrs. Yates could. Would the children have been better off? Would she still experience the hormonal changes that precipitate the psychosis? Of course, this is an approach which is in widespread use.

4. Placement of the children in foster homes--This might work. The issues with it are obvious.

Quote:Unless you have a crystal ball that can predict who is going to murder their children and who isn't, these aren't worthy of consideration. From the information I've read about the case, this probably could have been prevented by far less drastic measures. She visited her pychiatrist just 2 days before the murders, so obviously he didn't see the threat. She had previously been on Haldol and no longer was... although we don't know if that would have made a difference or not. Her husband appears to be a total idiot or he could have prevented it by not leaving her alone with the kids (amongst the many bad choices he made in this case). Perhaps these things don't raise to the level of criminal negligance, but they didn't help the situation any.

Quote:Small nit here:

"Murder: 1. Kill intentionally and with premeditation"

I'm sure this is [not] the meaning of your reply, however this did strike me as odd. By what you said, does this make everyone fighting a war insane by your definition? I know a few people who came back from Iraq and, while they didn't like what they saw and had to do, they knew it was part of their job. They had to find out where the enemies were located and formulate a strategy to eradicate them. This is definitely premeditation and fits the bill for murder, however I would hardly classify them - or their actions - as expressions of ‘insanity,’ not by any stretch of the imagination.

Quote:In a mental hospital you don't have to worry about your roomate being a mass murderer, about alliances/gangs that form or are already formed, about being stabbed by a makeshift knife, or gased/beaten by guards if you step far out of line. Granted, your roomate may actually be a murderer, but they're most likely loaded on a bunch of medications (as well as you) that leave you in a pretty catatonic state.

Quote:And this would be bad for what reason? Do you think she deserves better? She killed FIVE KIDS! If she is "legitimately" insane, let's "legitimately" punish her. Hospital is not a punishment, unless it's one like in "One flew over the Cuckoo's Nest". People who get suffuciently drunk do not know what htey are doing either, but we punish them real good. This whole "not responsible for their action" crap, is one of the major resaons why crime these days is so rampant. Our society has excuses for pretty much everything these days.