Quote:So why is that admirable in Winston Churchill but not in Hillary Clinton?

Quote:Certainly you should never give up when outsiders are visiting violence among the people you love. Never give up against the Nazis, or any authoritarian rule. And there are other righteous causes against horrible things -- slavery, apartheid, British rule, no-jeans-at-work policies -- that should be fought without faltering.

Quote:But at some point, "not giving up" is just hardheadedness. At what point does it change? I think that unfortunately, there's no definitive answer. Also, like beauty, it's subjective. If Hillary were my candidate because she was the only one advocating something dear to me, I would want her to continue trying to win and her struggle would be a valiant one. However, those not in that category would see this as hardheaded ambition gone unchecked. Which is it really?

Quote:I think the barometer in this case is whether she is helping her causes by continuing. Pick an issue -- let's see -- how about health care. She should look at whether continuing on is just hurting the party by turning people off to both Democandidates. If fighting Obama increases McCain's chances, that is going against the cause, and then it would be hardheadedness that makes her continue.

Quote:Aside: Of course, it may help Obama in the long run to get some adversity now rather than getting swiftboated. Or, getting crap early may give time for a label to stick and fester. Right now, the term "elitist" is being tacked on. That one will probably stick -- after all, Obama graduated Harvard Law (with some distinction that I can't remember), and can't bowl very well.

Quote:The Nazis? The year is 2008.

Quote:Sheesh, stop being so nit-picky, you've overdone it and stepped on a valid comment.

Quote:Sheesh, stop being so nit-picky, you've overdone it and stepped on a valid comment. A bit over-eager for the attack, aintcha?

-V

Quote:Do not impose on others what you yourself do not desire.
Confucius

Quote: "No Bastard ever won a war by Dying for his Country.
He won it by Making the other poor dumb bastard Die for his Country."


General George S. Patton Quotes

Quote:Was Patton the Sparta King Leonidas in one of his Past lives?

My men don't surrender, and I don't want to hear of any soldier under my command being captured unless he has been hit. Even if you are hit, you can still fight back. That's not just bull #$%& either.

The kind of man that I want in my command is just like the lieutenant in Libya, who, with a Luger against his chest, jerked off his helmet, swept the gun aside with one hand, and busted the hell out of the Kraut with his helmet. Then he jumped on the gun and went out and killed another German before they knew what the hell was coming off. And, all of that time, this man had a bullet through a lung. There was a real man!

Quote:Kill that sumbitch before he kills you. (Self preservation.)

Occhi

Quote:4/28/2008

If you raise your children to feel that they can accomplish any goal or task they decide upon, you will have succeeded as a parent and you will have given your children the greatest of all blessings.
Brian Tracy

Quote:"Parent who is afraid to put down foot usually has child who steps on toes" -- Chinese Proverb

Quote:Hi,

White men Love their Dogs and Beat their Children...this is Not the Our way - American Indian :wub:

Never raise your hand to your children; it leaves your midsection unprotected. - Robert Orben :P

Quote:Children are God's way of granting our parents sweet revenge. :whistling: (my own)

Children get spoiled because you can't spank grandparents. -- anonymous--

Occhi

Quote:Buddha