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davcol
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"What's the best high damage char?"
 
   I've been having a lot of fun playing less popular builds: a throwing barb, a melee sorc, a pure trap assassin. They're a challenge to make and they make playing the game much more interesting. All of these characters have gotten through hell, and all of them are able (though sometimes rather slowly) to take out any monster in the game.

Now just for the hell of it I want to build something truly powerful. I want to *awe* all the l33t doodz of battle net with the sheer destructive power of my character. But I want to still be able to play anywhere in the game. The char needs to be able to deal with all of hell.

So the question is: For high damage monster bashing what's the best build? Firewall sorc with cold backup? WW Barb with a little berserk?
Strafing zon? Something I've never seen or heard of?

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What's the best high damage char? [View All] davcol 05-Apr-02 TOP
  RE: What's the best high damage char? pakman 05-Apr-02 1
  There's no best build... Epi 05-Apr-02 2
     RE: There's no best build... WarBlade 05-Apr-02 3
  Lets see if this answers your question . . . Nebuul 08-Apr-02 4
     RE: Lets see if this answers your question . . . AK404 02-May-02 8
  RE: What's the best high damage char? True Seeker 10-Apr-02 5
     RE: What's the best high damage char? Ice 02-May-02 6
         no koku with 700+ dex with 200+str wiccan 02-May-02 7
             A plea.... ShadowHM 02-May-02 9
             actual i am a english native wiccan 02-May-02 10
                 ARGH ShadowHM 02-May-02 11
                     argah wiccan 02-May-02 12
                         Actually... Elric of Gransadmin 02-May-02 13
                             RE: Actually... wiccan 02-May-02 15
                     RE: ARGH wiccan 02-May-02 14
                         please don't take it as an attack Griseldaadmin 03-May-02 16
             RE: no koku with 700+ dex with 200+str BobThePumpkin 04-May-02 17
             RE: no koku with 700+ dex with 200+str Ice 04-May-02 18
                 RE: no koku with 700+ dex with 200+str Brista 11-May-02 19
                     Max damage Brista 13-May-02 20
  What about Sorcs? Ivo 20-May-02 21
     RE: What about Sorcs? Brista 20-May-02 22
     RE: What about Sorcs? Sleitek 26-May-02 23
         RE: What about Sorcs? Brista 27-May-02 24

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pakman
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1. "RE: What's the best high damage char?"
In response to message #0
 
Well I can help out a little bit.

My sister is actually using a WW/Frenzy/Berserk barb and just started on nightmare a couple days ago. She is doing pretty well on "players 8," but damn does everything hit hard.

As for me I just started my first zon ever, which will end up being a strafing/multishot zon. I have no idea whether this is cookie-cutter or not, but it is interesting to play.

I think, however, that a FW sorc with cold as a backup and maybe a little SF will pretty much destroy anything.

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2. "There's no best build..."
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   ...Everything depends on what kind of monsters you're going to fight. Sorcs are better against large groups of regular monsters (because they have a lot of AoE skills to select from), but Barbs and GA Amazons (but not Stafezon *) are better against single target. Also keep in mind that spelcasters (read: Sorcs) are not that item-dependant as fighters (Barbs and 'zons), so it highly depends on what equipment you have already.

>So the question is: For high damage monster bashing what's
>the best build? Firewall sorc with cold backup? WW Barb with
>a little berserk? Strafing zon? Something I've never seen or
>heard of?

FW Sorc? She's VERY powerful... against immobile target (read: in the Bloody Foothill). Although monsters ignore firewalls, it's not always easy to make them stay still for a few seconds. Try Meteor instead (although it requires some practice to aim correctly).

WW Barb? Yes! With 50% physical resistance in Hell he may be not as fast as Sorc against groups, but any single monster doesn't have a chance (except when he's MSLEB with conviction).

Amazon? If you have Buriza or Windforce - Yes, sure. But without good (cross-)bow you'll have a lot of fun with her.

*) When Blizzard nerfed Multishot in LoD, they also nerfed Strafe the same way - in 1.09 it fires extra arrows per each friendly unit, but this arrows never hit. Taken into account piercing ability of Guided Arrow, thay is THE spell for powerbuilding.

-Epi.


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3. "RE: There's no best build..."
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   LAST EDITED ON 04-05-02 AT 05:59 PM (PST)
 
I'd have to agree with Epi for the most part. My hardest hitting build so far has been a Paladin (which in itself is unlikely) and a large part of that was the simple fact that he had some decent luck with equipment. By comparison, my Bow 'Zon and her fairly awsome equipping luck is relatively gutless beside the Paladin although given a sea of maggot larvae she'll shred the lot in seconds (a fight which would take many minutes to complete for the Paladin).

Also worth noting: Although a high-powered two-handed weapon user can have some massive damage output with the right weapon, the difficulty in maxing resistances may be such a hindrance that a weapon and shield user could complete identical areas faster purely on the strength of having less to worry about from the monsters.

On top of everything else, you're also at the mercy of how compatible your character/merc combination will be with team mate's character/merc combinations when you play co-op multi. Some combinations prove to be far greater than the sum of their parts, while others work out as merely the sum and in a few instances actually detract in some way.

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4. "Lets see if this answers your question . . ."
In response to message #0
 
   When I gave my paladin, SaggyMorals, an ethereal ZOD hellslayer (I socketed the axe and made it myself), he did upwards of 12000+ damage a swing -- BEFORE you figure conviction penalties -- when using vengeance.

Of course, a barbarian with berserk always does double damage, and my barb did about 10k magic damage with his, so that's like 20k damage a swing. For baal runs, the paladin is better because he can kill the mummies with vengeance, but berserk cannot Vs a monster with another immunity, though, it is a close call between berserk and vengeance, since there is a 50% physical penalty and then a 100% penalty to one of the elements, but about -150% bonuses to the other two elements.

Really, it is a preference thing -- with vengeance, you also get life leech/mana leech on the swing, so you don't have to do a lower-damage attack to get back health/life. If you count in those extra swings, vengeance wins hands down

Nebuul


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8. "RE: Lets see if this answers your question . . ."
In response to message #4
 
Of course, if you want to get really disgusting, go for an all-strength barb with an ether-zod slayer. Pack on a few small life charms and a bunch of +vit uniques (like TGV and War Travs, that incidentally give strength as well) for life, then a little bit of leech, and bam. A friend of mine did this, and the damage is absolutely sick.

"There is surely nothing other than the single purpose of the present moment. A man's whole life is a succession of moment after moment. If one fully understands the present moment, there will be nothing else to do, and nothing left to pursue."
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5. "RE: What's the best high damage char?"
In response to message #0
 
   Hey there-

Here's my two cents: a multishot/ FA zon using Windorce and a 1.08 Saracen's Chance, firing at 8/2, with a might merc and 400+ dex. If you have never seen a character like this in a game, gentlmen it's awe-inspiring. I was able to witness one of my friends today with said setup, and it was the most destructive things I've ever seen. I don't think there's much that can stand in the way of this setup's killing speed.


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6. "RE: What's the best high damage char?"
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   But not everyone has windforce and how many people on B.Net are using legit WFs anyway?

A cruel matriarch bow (preferably of evisceration) with 1.08 Saracen's Chance, firing at 7/2, with a might merc and 600+ dex is pretty amazing to watch too. Arrows fly much faster than you can imagine.

Ice(BNR)
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7. "no koku with 700+ dex with 200+str"
In response to message #6
 
   LAST EDITED ON 05-02-02 AT 03:07 PM (PDT)
 
and level 23 staff 191 sa and scaren thast scary knows my zon has it and it has twitch 1.08 and sigons other sa+ and some ats+ things things to get her firing faster than lighting rember this my bowzon was a converted lance zone they need strenght and dex to use them and become faster!
~ the raven gets the worm, the wolf gets the raven, but who gets get the wolf.....?
The Cows, the hell cows MOOOO!

wiccan-falcon druid 58
wiccan-raven assassin 68
warican converted pike/lance and now bowzon 56
wiccanstar {wifes} pure fire sorc 25
wickedwiccan 55 {first tri-sorc on bnet documented}
wiccan rage 65 paladin FOH/vengence/con/conviction..
vindacare 45 paladin {auradin no attack skils
kaer-warlock 56 necromanncer{wifes and mine}
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9. "A plea...."
In response to message #7
 
   Hi Wiccan,

You seem like a nice fellow, and based on comments you have made, you are niether a child nor a non-English native speaker. Both of those conditions might make me more tolerant of your errors.

So, please, please, start using punctuation, grammar and spell-check? Paragraphs would be nice too.

I am finding your posts unbelievably frustrating to decipher.

"But hope is left when pride is gone,
and it keeps you moving on."
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wiccan
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10. "actual i am a english native"
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   i type very fast and have no time to to poof-read.. i try to do what i can i graduated from college 12 year ago and i have a learning disability and i really cant remeber how to type corectly comes down to my memory and typing i cant type very fast with out looking at my computer's key board and i do this everytime i am sory if i dont i try to make it clear but imash all my words together sorry my wife is the english major i am just do" a go as i type and damn the conquences" as long as i can type clearly you can understand me i am sorry but sometimes my typing is worse then i talk sometime i can type very wonderful...

~ the raven gets the worm, the wolf gets the raven, but who gets get the wolf.....?
The Cows, the hell cows MOOOO!

wiccan-falcon druid 58
wiccan-raven assassin 68
warican converted pike/lance and now bowzon 56
wiccanstar {wifes} pure fire sorc 25
wickedwiccan 55 {first tri-sorc on bnet documented}
wiccan rage 65 paladin FOH/vengence/con/conviction..
vindacare 45 paladin {auradin no attack skils
kaer-warlock 56 necromanncer{wifes and mine}
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ShadowHM
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11. "ARGH"
In response to message #10
 
   The consequences of the "just type as I go and damn the consequences" are that we will all get fed up with your nonsense!

You are an adult. Show some consideration for the rest of us and PROOFREAD.

I have a son with a learning disability. If he can damn well do it, so can you. Type the whole thing in, and then take that polite pause and proofread it. Fix the errors. Add a little puncuation. Proofread again. And then, and only then, hit the "Post Message" button.

Frankly, if this means you are limited in how many posts you can make, due to having to spend time proofing, so be it. A few quality ones will be much more appreciated than any volume of nonsense.

I *think* from what I may have deciphered from a few of your posts, that you do have valuable observations to contribute. Please make the effort to make them readable. Courtesy is a valuable trait.

"But hope is left when pride is gone,
and it keeps you moving on."
Ry Cooder, 'The Borderline'


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wiccan
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12. "argah"
In response to message #11
 
   there is a saying "Do what you wish as long as you dont harm another.." this is the wiccan reede or a modifed interperation of it.., just becasue you cant make head or tail out of my chicken scrath dont mean i am not able to understand to show some consideration begins with out whining about a way a person types!


~ the raven gets the worm, the wolf gets the raven, but who gets get the wolf.....?
The Cows, the hell cows MOOOO!

wiccan-falcon druid 58
wiccan-raven assassin 68
warican converted pike/lance and now bowzon 56
wiccanstar {wifes} pure fire sorc 25
wickedwiccan 55 {first tri-sorc on bnet documented}
wiccan rage 65 paladin FOH/vengence/con/conviction..
vindacare 45 paladin {auradin no attack skils
kaer-warlock 56 necromanncer{wifes and mine}
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13. "Actually..."
In response to message #12
 
   Hail wiccan,

I can appreciate where ShadowHM is coming from, and we do ask that people try to keep their posts readable. Indeed, in my etiquette I have said as much, though I did not directly state it in this manner; Point #3 does indirectly refer to this though. I can also appreciate where you are coming from: I too have a learning disability, and I should also throw in I am Australian and over here they stopped teaching spelling and grammar before I was born. I put in an effort to keep my posts readable, and it doesn't keep my post count down either I should point out :p

I do not ask you endevour to keep everything in perfect English - I do not believe I could manage that at all times! - but if you could proof read before posting, it would make it easier for us to consider your point. Part of being a good poster is content, but another part is readability. We should never ask more from people than they can possably do, but posting without first reading over it just once to see if it is clear can be problematic: I know this from experience

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wiccan
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15. "RE: Actually..."
In response to message #13
 
   i read my typing everytime and i dont see problmes i read them to me all the time and i under stand if i do spot them i edit them thanks eric

~ the raven gets the worm, the wolf gets the raven, but who gets get the wolf.....?
The Cows, the hell cows MOOOO!

wiccan-falcon druid 58
wiccan-raven assassin 68
warican converted pike/lance and now bowzon 56
wiccanstar {wifes} pure fire sorc 25
wickedwiccan 55 {first tri-sorc on bnet documented}
wiccan rage 65 paladin FOH/vengence/con/conviction..
vindacare 45 paladin {auradin no attack skils
kaer-warlock 56 necromanncer{wifes and mine}
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14. "RE: ARGH"
In response to message #11
 
   LAST EDITED ON 05-02-02 AT 07:29 PM (PDT)
 
listen i dont care what you think, i am alot older than your son 42 years old soon to be 43 you know the old saying "you cant teach a old dogs new tricks"

well i learned what i can, i cant help if my genetic make up is flawed in my D.N.A my learning disabilty is harder to over come no mater what i try my spelling was great, then i lost it do to mutation in my brainstem near my learning part this was eaten away from this mutation its rare in my family my great grand father had it skips a generation it acts like i cant remeber the name of it sorry..

but why you complaining when no one else is
if there was some iota in your words you would show some people with a dire learning like i said i was always trying to improve my self then to be stricken like a new born babe i think you can understand this if you cant then dont read my post easier on your eyes
so dont dare compare me to anyone you think you said one time you thought i was NOT a english native, i know people that have it harder than me i deal with them...and for spell checkers there cost money, i dont have the money to get one....
so behave and respect the ones that try to help them selfs....

~ the raven gets the worm, the wolf gets the raven, but who gets get the wolf.....?
The Cows, the hell cows MOOOO!

wiccan-falcon druid 58
wiccan-raven assassin 68
warican converted pike/lance and now bowzon 56
wiccanstar {wifes} pure fire sorc 25
wickedwiccan 55 {first tri-sorc on bnet documented}
wiccan rage 65 paladin FOH/vengence/con/conviction..
vindacare 45 paladin {auradin no attack skils
kaer-warlock 56 necromanncer{wifes and mine}
][


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16. "please don't take it as an attack"
In response to message #14
 
   I don't think that ShadowHM was trying to offend you. But, I'm guessing that she has a hard time understanding your posts, as do I.

It's not your spelling. It's the lack of organization- you jump from one thought and idea to another, and don't even separate your ideas into sentences.

Once again, please don't take this as an attack. I have no desire to harm you. But, when I can't understand what you have to say, I certainly can't respond to you. If your posts are hard to read, some people might not read them at all.

I think ShadowHM was attempting to help you, by pointing out something that you might not have been aware of. I have never seen her needlessly attack or criticize another poster, and I don't know why she'd start now.

-Griselda


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17. "RE: no koku with 700+ dex with 200+str"
In response to message #7
 
Ok, this is in reply to all the posts under this. I can see Shadow's point, and I feel that way a bit myself, and have for a while. However, I immediately realised after I read your first post that your were either a non-english speaker or had some other rational reason for the state of your posts. I do not blame you for this, nor will I criticize you for it. I think that the LL should accept people equally from all walks of life. I am not trying to offend either Wiccan or ShadowHM, I am merely putting my two cents in.

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18. "RE: no koku with 700+ dex with 200+str"
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   No intention to flame or offend, but I really cannot comprehend what you are talking about in the post:

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Title: no koku with 700+ dex with 200+str
and level 23 staff 191 sa and scaren thast scary knows my zon has it and it has twitch 1.08 and sigons other sa+ and some ats+ things things to get her firing faster than lighting rember this my bowzon was a converted lance zone they need strenght and dex to use them and become faster!
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Sounds interesting enough for me to want to know the contents. For one thing, how are you ever going to hit 700+ dex and 200+ str. Even at level 99, you will need to have a total of +350 dex/str on your equipment to reach that number. Unless your entire inventory is filled with +5 str/dex large charms and you are giving up all sorts of IAS, resistances just to get more dex, I don't see how that is possible.


Back to your post... the best I can translate it to is something like:
level 23 strafe with 191 ??? and saracen's chance is scary. My zon uses that and uses 1.08 twitch, sigons and other ??? and some IAS items to increase her firing speed. Since she is a converted lance zon, she needs strength and dex to use both and become faster?

What does your "sa" and "sa+" refer to? I'm already assuming that "staff" means "strafe" and "ats+" means increased attack speed (IAS), but still cannot make out what the rest of the shorthand represents.


No offence, just curious.

Ice(BNR)
Shadow Sanctuary


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19. "RE: no koku with 700+ dex with 200+str"
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   mmm, 191 is probably 191% ED buriza

Are you talking about a Burizon?

They're very good but if you want to impress the l33t (what is that word?) doodz in the cow level then it has to be a Lightning Fury Javazon with high pierce

I cringe at saying this but you will find you pretty much need Titan's Fury. Sorry, I wish there were a way it could be done cheaply

A Conviction/Fanaticism Paladin or Amp/Lower Resist Necro might cause a similar increase in party damage but I don't think the people you wish to impress would realise or care

One of my least pleasant experiences was playing a thorns summoner necro in the cow level. It takes a few moments setting up the army and turning the aura on but then you kill as fast as a javazon. But people hate it! Lag this lag that! I had a torrent of abuse almost every game - this from people who were following me around for the protection of my army! Incidentally it's an even more expensive set-up than the javazon


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20. "Max damage"
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   I had another idea, I've posted it on the Workshop as it's statistical


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21. "What about Sorcs?"
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   I find strange that nobody mentioned Sorcs in the replies (or did you and I didn't notice? I think not). Although with that kind of equip the Light. Fury Javazon or the Strafe/Multi Shot Bowazon are probably more damage dealing, I'd like to suggest a Nova Sorc with fast cast equip, loads of +skill adders. With Nova, TS, LM, FO & the 1 point CM, SF and Warmth. FO/CM for Backup against imunes (and generally slowing down, as Nova's range is not that big and can be a bit dangerous) will also do some nice damage if you find enough points to max F. Orb (probably diverting from T. Storm). With Light mastery maxed, Nova and TS will both do massive damage, mainly Nova because using fast cast gear you can spam it (a good choice is Skin of Vipermagi armor, that has fast cast and +1 skill, some resists, and the Lidless Wall shield, which has more or less the same in shield form and can easily be socketed with a P. Diamond or Um).
Just remember that Nova is probably the most mana costly thing in all game. You will need anything you can spare on Warmth (plan ahead).

Orb the monsters if they're not Cold Imune, step up and S. Field them (possibly not pumping this and getting the nova range on SF from all the +skills items) to half life if you are in Hell diff, then Nova them while the TS pounds. I didn't do the math but it is also impressive. And certainly powerful.

Might not be as much as the other builds discussed, but I do think it is less equip dependent all in all.

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Brista
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22. "RE: What about Sorcs?"
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   I refered to an idea, which was Enchant, cast on multizons which is fairly broken. A multizon with near max pierce and high bow skill could fire a 25 shot volley with each arrow piercing 4 times. Enchant would add each time

However Enchant isn't as powerful really as it seems on paper - the posts are in the Workshop

It led on to posts on Blaze here and in the Workshop which I think is another contender


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23. "RE: What about Sorcs?"
In response to message #21
 
   Well, we all know that in this 1.09 universe, that sorceresses are no longer the uber-char. Sure, when we were all fighting in the land of immobile monsters, notbing could beat firewall when it came to dps. But ##### moves in the cow level, you know.

When the amount of fun you have in a game is directly proportional to the amount of exp you cah churn out per minute, I don't see why anybody would play such an inferior class.

Except for meph runs, I mean.


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24. "RE: What about Sorcs?"
In response to message #23
 
  
>When the amount of fun you have in a game is directly
>proportional to the amount of exp you cah churn out per
>minute, I don't see why anybody would play such an inferior
>class.

Is this what you think?

As for sorcs one of the main reason they ruled 1.08 is that large amounts of godly gear was not available as it is now

Try one when 1.10 starts, you may surprise yourself


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